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Originally Posted by IanIronwood  And if triple penetration really, really turned him on, would you consider sharing that with him without judging him? |
*facepalm* I think you entirely miss the point.
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Originally Posted by IanIronwood No. What I'm saying is that looking at porn is one of the ways in which men express and explore their sexuality, so that they may be equipped to be in and stay in a real relationship. I consider it a natural part of their sexuality. And a woman who insisted that her husband didn't view porn and focus instead all of his erotic attention on her, exclusively, may find some of the sparkle leave the relationship, eventually. You still don't understand just how important that sort of thing is to a healthy male sexuality. |
How did people do this before the internet and home DVD's?
How can it be natural when it is man made and producers themselves admit they just keep going further and further with it, even though it's degrading and unrealistic and painful etc. They create the market for it. It does not naturally occur.
healthy male sexuality and porn are an oxy moron. The fact that you keep saying that doesn't make it true.
please provide evidence that it makes men healthier?
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Not JUST for that. But it also follows by the same token that men are there to provide security and resources ("money" and "status") for women. I'm as appalled by the one as the other, aren't you?
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I never said they were, I currently earn more than my fiance.
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Men are ALWAYS blamed for it. I feel your pain.
And again, you're going to be just as appalled by the degradation of men? And how the female-dominated fashion industry degrades human beings of both genders?
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If you want to look at the poverty the world over and you will see that women do 75% of the worlds work and only own 1% of the means of production. Women work hard, are exploited and if you want to look at abuse stats etc you will see that women have it worse in many areas, so the degradation of men does not compare, but the degradation of any one is awful, who said i approved of it?
I don't read fashion magazines, I don't watch much mainstream television, and I don't spend a a lot of money on clothing, i buy what I like and I try as hard as I can to avoid big companies that exploit workers where ever possible, because I don't want to aid in profiting greedy corporations.
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I still haven't seen anything that convinces me that the media is to blame for the fact that men like looking at porn. Guys looked at porn long before there was a media.
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Porn is media. Any thing we view is a form of media.
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Originally Posted by IanIronwood Did you run the company's references? Did you read the contract? Did you have your agent run their HIV reports through the usual channels? Did you insist on meeting the men and agreeing on the script, positions, and such beforehand?
Or did you sit idly by while your boyfriend arranged everything, because you were helpless and ignorant and depended upon other people to look out for your welfare when you weren't willing or able to? Did you try to leave the set when things got rough?
There are plenty of bad, exploitive porn companies out there, and you can find out who has a rep and who doesn't in about ten minutes of phone conversations or thirty seconds of Googling. But that aside, your stance against porn basically says that young women just can't be trusted to make adult decisions on their own. |
Yes let's blame the individual niave frightened girl. typical of the industry. just because you can exploit someone doesn't mean you should. the onus should not be on the individual to be savy, smart and know everything , because let's face it they wouldn't be there in the first place if they weren't young and niave. The onus should be on society, and society should say it's just not good enough to treat women this way!
And the brain isn't even developed properly untill the age of 25, it is a completely normal behavioural step for teenagers and young adults to take silly risks and do things that may damage them, what used to happen though is that the village (society) used to help them make good decisions and care about , and their well being, and it really does take a village to get people to healthy adult hood. unfortunately now we don't have much of a village any more, just a society where the almighty $ rules, and we don't have empathy for people.
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Originally Posted by IanIronwood Or we could be having depressingly bad sex. Which is far more likely, considering surveys done in both sexually liberal and sexually conservative countries. Or women could be having decent sex, but the men not so much. I mean, if we didn't have porn to judge you by, then how would we know if you were really bad in bad? Who would teach us to have all of this "awesome" sex -- and would it actually be awesome for both parties? |
If your having depressingly bad sex it's more likely you have been watching too much porn. I have all ready explained this.
That's like me watching a television show on billionairs who buy their wives ridiculous jewelery and take them on european holidays all the time, then saying, well the bars been raised and you are not satisfying my financial needs buddy. Now my life is miserable. I've seen what my life could be like, now meet my unrealistic selfish expectations, Or I could appreciate what I do have, not measure my fiance against unrealistic standards, and enjoy the life we have and make it really great.
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And the idea that porn "instructs" us about what turns us on is laughable. Porn consumers are among the most fickle in the universe. We simply will not spend time with stuff that doesn't turn us on, so if we don't like "what porn is telling you turns you on" then you'll leave.
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I will find some quotes from producers on this. where they freely admit to doing exactly what I said and don't give a poo really, because it's all about money, not people.
Oh and still waiting on those sources Mr Ironwood. Also even your user name reeks of insecurity, of someone who has watched too much porn and perhaps measures their own man bits against the unrealistic things they see on the screen. I have read studies about how it does that to men too, so don't worry you are not alone.
