FromNeptune

Thanks for your interest and reply but your suggested approach would never get off the ground. I'm not feeling sorry for myself especially when I express how hard it is to continue. I am simply facing reality. I agree with part of what you are saying, the 'flirting, show interest, etc.' But this needs to be done without any preset motives and truely be in her interest. Any courting I might start up again will be fine with my wife as long as it is at a distance and absolutely no touching. But I have been down this road before and I know before I start any casual "flirting" to more and little more, the response will be zero. And that is ok because it is telling me, as it would to any single man courting a woman before marriage and it is the same in a marriage relationship, she is sending a strong message that she is not interested. In this 13 year period I have been to counselors, she did not want to go but did go twice but it is clear that is not what she wants to do. Your approach is almost boarding on a bit of force and I don't believe a woman wants that from a man.