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post #31 of 82 (permalink) Old 12-26-2016, 08:41 PM
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You are insinuating that because he is filming his wife, his daughters must therefore also be in danger
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I'm just offering an alternative possibility to help & get over the initial (justified) shock and perhaps have a proper conversation before tearing family apart.
She tried that. Answers were not forthcoming.

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In the U.S., you cannot photograph a person, regardless of age, who has a ‘reasonable expectation of privacy‘. This is someone who believes that he or she is in a private location and no-one is watching.


https://www.quora.com/Is-it-illegal-...y-are-an-adult
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"You have a perfect right to install cameras which record video and sound in your own home whether in sight or hidden."
It then goes on to say that obviously showers are not included. But then it is not talking about spouses anyway so I have no idea what will actually happen in the court of law in this situation.

Backtracking: I mention in my first post on this thread that the reason I wrote anything at all (and I probably shouldn't have) is a call to stop people jumping to conclusions without evidence (the OP's husband is being accused of serious crimes, I hope you realise this), not to defend or justify the acts that we know of.

It's funny how there seems to be somewhat of a double standard: on the CWI threads, everyone plus their dogs recommend installing surveillance devices pretty much everywhere (including outside their spouse's homes) without permission of spouse (or soon to be ex spouse), especially in compromising situations. There is no indication that the filming and photographing in the OP's husband's case was done in any way to harm or compromise his wife (which doesn't make it right but also doesn't automatically make him a paedophile!)

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There is no indication that the filming and photographing in the OP's husband's case was done in any way to harm or compromise his wife (which doesn't make it right but also doesn't automatically make him a paedophile!)

Lets get back to life, shall we?
I am DUMBFOUNDED that you are defending this blatant violation of someone's rights! Is this something that goes on in YOUR house or what?? Accusing people here of jumping to conclusions...seriously, WHO DEFENDS THIS KIND OF SH!T??

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The same link also says:

"You have a perfect right to install cameras which record video and sound in your own home whether in sight or hidden."
It then goes on to say that obviously showers are not included.
That person you are quoting is not even a lawyer, just some random internet forum poster such as yourself. Their advice is in direct contrast to known lawyers as well as posted US laws on the issue.

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(the OP's husband is being accused of serious crimes, I hope you realise this), not to defend or justify the acts that we know of.
Videotaping his wife in the bathroom without her knowledge is a felony. That means if he is charged, and convicted, he will go to jail, because he is a criminal. Not sure what part of this you fail to understand?

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There is no indication that the filming and photographing in the OP's husband's case was done in any way to harm or compromise his wife (which doesn't make it right but also doesn't automatically make him a paedophile!)
If he has indeed videotaped his wife in the bathroom and other areas within the house where she has a reasonable expectation of privacy, without her consent and knowledge he is a perverted criminal and it's not a huge stretch to think he might be doing the same to his underage daughter. Again, not sure what part of this you fail to understand?
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I am DUMBFOUNDED that you are defending this blatant violation of someone's rights! Is this something that goes on in YOUR house or what?? Accusing people here of jumping to conclusions...seriously, WHO DEFENDS THIS KIND OF SH!T??
I was never defending it. Good day.

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I am DUMBFOUNDED that you are defending this blatant violation of someone's rights! Is this something that goes on in YOUR house or what?? Accusing people here of jumping to conclusions...seriously, WHO DEFENDS THIS KIND OF SH!T??
The ignorant, the uninformed, the gullible, or the guilty.
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The same link also says:

"You have a perfect right to install cameras which record video and sound in your own home whether in sight or hidden."
It then goes on to say that obviously showers are not included. But then it is not talking about spouses anyway so I have no idea what will actually happen in the court of law in this situation.

Backtracking: I mention in my first post on this thread that the reason I wrote anything at all (and I probably shouldn't have) is a call to stop people jumping to conclusions without evidence (the OP's husband is being accused of serious crimes, I hope you realise this), not to defend or justify the acts that we know of.

It's funny how there seems to be somewhat of a double standard: on the CWI threads, everyone plus their dogs recommend installing surveillance devices pretty much everywhere (including outside their spouse's homes) without permission of spouse (or soon to be ex spouse), especially in compromising situations. There is no indication that the filming and photographing in the OP's husband's case was done in any way to harm or compromise his wife (which doesn't make it right but also doesn't automatically make him a paedophile!)

Lets get back to life, shall we?
I will...IF....you can find 1(one), just one Thread/Post/Comment in CWI...that recommends setting up surveillance cameras in the bathroom......

BONUS POINTS...if you can find one where that was recommended to a BS that had a teenage daughter (or hell...any age daughter) living in the same house.

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I will...IF....you can find 1(one), just one Thread/Post/Comment in CWI...that recommends setting up surveillance cameras in the bathroom......

BONUS POINTS...if you can find one where that was recommended to a BS that had a teenage daughter (or hell...any age daughter) living in the same house.
You know exactly this was not my point. Are you saying that surveillance on your spouse without her knowledge outside her home is legal or not? You bamboozled me.
Hint: BOTH instances are possibly illegal. I am not going to argue which one is worse. The motives are not clear in this instance. I already stated my position clearly that this is still wrong.

In her post, she mentions cameras in HER bathroom (for the hundreds time: this doesn't make it right but makes a huge difference if convicted).

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The ignorant, the uninformed, the gullible, or the guilty.
Ok, now I am also being accused of imaginary crimes? Lets stone them all. Why not.

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In her post, she mentions cameras in HER bathroom (for the hundreds time: this doesn't make it right but makes a huge difference if convicted).
It's somehow less of a crime if the cameras are in HER bathroom?

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Ok, now I am also being accused of imaginary crimes?
Well, no, but you are responding as if you are guilty.
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It's somehow less of a crime if the cameras are in HER bathroom?
It's less of a crime having cameras the wife's bathroom than having it in his daughter's bathroom, yes, which is what he is being accused here by the majority. And it's technically the same type of crime as having all these VARs and tapes installed everywhere else, as recommended on CWI forum for a cheating spouse (bathrooms excluded, perhaps. Although who knows where they put those things).

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Well, no, but you are responding as if you are guilty.
And how did you arrive at this amazing insight, Columbo? I am not defending his actions, I am criticising this ridiculous stoning ritual.

She should give him a chance to explain himself properly and ask him to hand over all the "material" he gathered and then if she finds anything that doesn't fit his explanations, figure out the appropriate response or report him, if necessary.

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It's less of a crime having cameras the wife's bathroom than having it in his daughter's bathroom, yes, which is what he is being accused here by the majority.
There's a big difference between accusing the pervert of molesting and/or videotaping his daughter and suggesting he's capable of doing it. You seem to have a problem making that distinction. It's also reasonable to think that the daughter has occasion to use the wife's bathroom, because no matter what you call it, bathrooms aren't usually exclusively used by one person.

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And it's technically the same type of crime as having all these VARs and tapes installed everywhere else, as recommended on CWI forum for a cheating spouse (bathrooms excluded, perhaps. Although who knows where they put those things).
Tape recorders don't take pictures, you do realize that don't you? Even if a VAR was placed in a bathroom the most you'd get is some grunting and farting which, while not all that interesting is more importantly not ILLEGAL.

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She did. She said she tried to ask him about it "in depth" and all she got was him saying he loves her and begging her for forgiveness.

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I tried to go deep but he just says that he loves me. Suppose he deletes the pics but I can say it's true.... I think he uses it to masturbate and I'm sure he watches porn

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There's a big difference between accusing the pervert of molesting and/or videotaping his daughter and suggesting he's capable of doing it. You seem to have a problem making that distinction. It's also reasonable to think that the daughter has occasion to use the wife's bathroom, because no matter what you call it, bathrooms aren't usually exclusively used by one person.
You wrote previously:
"He's probably taken pictures of your daughter and shared those too."

I would say this is a little stronger than just a suggestion and this mentality is THE ONLY THING that I had an issue with.

But you are right on the whole and I agree that if there is ANY chance that the cameras would have picked anyone else up, by mistake or not, this is a major risk and a terrifying thought.
However I would expect she would have found something other than a picture of her bum by now, since she went through his stuff. Wasn't it taking place over many years?

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"I tried to go deep but he just says that he loves me. Suppose he deletes the pics but I can say it's true.... I think he uses it to masturbate and I'm sure he watches porn"

Well, that, to me, is not in the same league...and something they should first try to figure out together in my opinion.

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It's also reasonable to think that the daughter has occasion to use the wife's bathroom, because no matter what you call it, bathrooms aren't usually exclusively used by one person.
This ^^ a million times this.


Best case scenario, she would prefer not to be on camera, and there is a large risk of others being photographed/videoed in a private master bath with a motion activated camera. My girls use my bathroom frequently if someone is in the main bathroom. I have never lived in a house where I had a bathroom for my own private use always, unless I lived alone. Worse case scenario, in a ground floor household bathroom he could be getting pics of friends, neighbors, daughter, daughters friends.

It's a dealbreaker violation of privacy. No matter how you frame it up.

Forget enough to get over it, remember enough so it doesn't happen again.
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Would you willing let your wife go to a house or send your teenage daughter to a house where someone was up to this? They just need understanding right?

That's really the question that needs to be asked. Because this isn't high tech spy equipment here, I'm guessing it's running all the time meaning it's catching anyone who is in the bathroom ... including possibly the husband's own elderly mother. Which, WTF honestly.

So what would exposing to the in-laws fix? Sure as hell bet it would stop cameras in the bathroom after that awkward conversation at the breakfast table.

As for what he is or isn't doing with the photos or pics afterwards. Doesn't matter. She's told him it bothers her, he keeps it up anyways. Which means at minimum he gives zero about her opinion or her feeling of security and safety in her own home. And that's just whack.
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Inmyprime I always try to look at both sides of an issue, sometimes I will argue an opposing view just for the sake of getting others to open their eyes to "what if"

The thing you are missing in this scenario is the wife caught the husband doing this back about six months ago. She confronted him, told him it creeps her out, told him to stop it. But he didn't…what he did was go subversive and escalated his platform, instead of just sneaking pictures of her in bed now he has hidden cameras in places the wife expects privacy, he has escalated from still pictures to videos. Simply by chance I would imagine the daughter could have ended up being taped.

It can't be called a fetish because he is now harming others, it has become perversion. So yes his perversion has escalated, yes he is violating his wife's privacy and showing a total disregard for her wishes. Yes he is endangering his daughter and possibly violating her privacy as well, and possibly friends who wonder in front of one of his cameras. He has crossed the line, it is as simple as that. The OP should be very concerned about protecting herself, her daughter and their right to privacy. Good husbands don't treat their wife this way, good husbands show respect and concern for their family, good dads would never ever compromise their child's welfare.

In this case their is no validity arguing his side, he is wrong.
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