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Old 08-25-2011, 12:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It seems to be the rage here on the infidelity board to suggest a polygraph test. But for me to use one as a be all and end all is a mistake. I think I would take more stock in the reaction of the cheating spouse (when you ask them) than the test itself.

Truth be told they are not 100% accurate and even polygraphers will admit to at least a 15% failure rate, and this doesn't even include those who can pass one by training themselves*. (a simple google search shows many sites on how to do it, the key is how you react during the "control questions")
They are not admissible in court due to the inaccuracy and the perception of the jury of lie detectors being infallible may cause them to weigh a polygraph more than the actual evidence.
To me a 15% failure rate is too much to rely on using one. Again I think if your spouse is one to believe that lie detectors are accurate then they would be scared in taking one and thus the reaction that follows (the amount of transparency they wish to give)is a better indicator of how cooperative they will be in R. But ultimately since I wouldn't want to rely on the results and actually use one I wouldn't threaten them with it as I don't believe in threats that you don't carry out.

I really think that stressing transparency and using more effective means of spying will yield better results.


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Old 08-25-2011, 12:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I bet that most polygraphs that are booked and planned never happen.

Typically, the polygraph is booked when the spouse is pretty certain they are being cheated on. I bet the majority of cheaters come clean once they realize the polygraph is booked and is going to happen.
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I agree transparency and investigating are more effective means, but sometimes folks may need to get some unanswered gustions after the fact and even if the poly. is not accurate, IMO is still a tool that should be looked at.

Threat or no threat it still gives you the levarage to get that gut renching truth out.
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If it comes to that point, just leave your spouse. It's obvious there is absolutely not trust, so why stay?
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I agree transparency and investigating are more effective means, but sometimes folks may need to get some unanswered gustions after the fact and even if the poly. is not accurate, IMO is still a tool that should be looked at.

Threat or no threat it still gives you the levarage to get that gut renching truth out.
How will you get "unanswered questions" when there would still be doubt about false positives or even when lies are missed?

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I bet that most polygraphs that are booked and planned never happen.

Typically, the polygraph is booked when the spouse is pretty certain they are being cheated on. I bet the majority of cheaters come clean once they realize the polygraph is booked and is going to happen.

this comes to my original point about the reaction and not the test myself, I guess for some the stress of having to face one may actually cause them to crack.

I suppose I would rather ask- "would you be willing to take a polygraph to back up your statement?" opposed to "you need to take one or else it's over"
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If it comes to that point, just leave your spouse. It's obvious there is absolutely not trust, so why stay?

well then no one should R according to this philosophy (which is fine for some people)

infidelity will always break the trust, in order to reestablish trust and heal from infidelity transparency and checking up on the cheater is needed
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Not true. But if you do not believe your spouse to the point of a polygraph, then...I don't know about that.

If you don't give time to rebuild trust, then yea, it won't work.

And that simply comes from manymanymanymany positive experiences with your loved one. Could take years. I don't think a polygraph would ease many people's minds. It wouldn't ease mine if I was that distrusting of my mate.

To each their own, I guess.
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I agree with you entirely.
I always kinda giggle when someone mentions making a WS take a poly.
I would not want the results of a poly to have any weight in my marital decisions given their abysmal failure rate.
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wow, I thought there would be more discussion on this
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It seems to be the rage here on the infidelity board to suggest a polygraph test. But for me to use one as a be all and end all is a mistake. I think I would take more stock in the reaction of the cheating spouse (when you ask them) than the test itself.

Truth be told they are not 100% accurate and even polygraphers will admit to at least a 15% failure rate, and this doesn't even include those who can pass one by training themselves*. (a simple google search shows many sites on how to do it, the key is how you react during the "control questions")
They are not admissible in court due to the inaccuracy and the perception of the jury of lie detectors being infallible may cause them to weigh a polygraph more than the actual evidence.
To me a 15% failure rate is too much to rely on using one. Again I think if your spouse is one to believe that lie detectors are accurate then they would be scared in taking one and thus the reaction that follows (the amount of transparency they wish to give)is a better indicator of how cooperative they will be in R. But ultimately since I wouldn't want to rely on the results and actually use one I wouldn't threaten them with it as I don't believe in threats that you don't carry out.

I really think that stressing transparency and using more effective means of spying will yield better results.


I'm sure lots of you disagree, but let's keep this thread civil.








*The Straight Dope: How accurate are lie-detector tests?
and how about kicking the truth out of her/him

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Old 08-26-2011, 08:28 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I wouldn't believe the results of a poly if I wanted my H to take one... He passed one with flying colors when he had to take one for part of a probation thing years ago. He told me that he focused on a screw in the wall just behind the tester, I guess they are yes/no questions and depending on the answer you can choose yes, that screw really does screw into the wall or no, it does not... And there you have correct answers on all test questions. Either that or he is really just a good liar
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It seems to be the rage here on the infidelity board to suggest a polygraph test. But for me to use one as a be all and end all is a mistake. I think I would take more stock in the reaction of the cheating spouse (when you ask them) than the test itself.

Truth be told they are not 100% accurate and even polygraphers will admit to at least a 15% failure rate, and this doesn't even include those who can pass one by training themselves*. (a simple google search shows many sites on how to do it, the key is how you react during the "control questions")
They are not admissible in court due to the inaccuracy and the perception of the jury of lie detectors being infallible may cause them to weigh a polygraph more than the actual evidence.
To me a 15% failure rate is too much to rely on using one. Again I think if your spouse is one to believe that lie detectors are accurate then they would be scared in taking one and thus the reaction that follows (the amount of transparency they wish to give)is a better indicator of how cooperative they will be in R. But ultimately since I wouldn't want to rely on the results and actually use one I wouldn't threaten them with it as I don't believe in threats that you don't carry out.

I really think that stressing transparency and using more effective means of spying will yield better results.


I'm sure lots of you disagree, but let's keep this thread civil.








*The Straight Dope: How accurate are lie-detector tests?
I don't need the whole truth anyway if it ever happened to me (hopefully not) and I got any hard evidence all what I need to know who the other man is so I can destroy his life in each and every way I can about she of course divorce never see the kids again if there is kids and no money at all for here but all of this if we re married laws re very good here for the BS in marriage

if a girl friend leaves (what happened to me) I just let her go and couldn't do anything cause I didn't want to be in trouble with law but I gave her some good family troubles to remember me with

so I just want to say polygraph is not for me and I don't think we have one where I live I just saw it in movies
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Has anyone on here actually made their WS take one???

Never seen a thread which went that direction even though the threat of one is suggested quite often
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Has anyone on here actually made their WS take one???

Never seen a thread which went that direction even though the threat of one is suggested quite often
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