Eh. Sorry. I am not buying the thing about the kiss and the story about her not knowing how/why she ended up outside but she did know the guy went down on her and the guy says she went down on him.
Seems there is more to this story.
23, I feel bad for you. I hope you guys can recover from this but do know, you have GOT to stop hanging out with these toxic friends and especially the a$$hole other man, who had no problems doing oral with your wife while you slept nearby and so did his WIFE (WTF is his excuse??? I am guessing he wasn't on Ambien or drinking heavily). Dude is bad news and especially sinec he kissed on your wife previously. Did she ever tell you about that incident?
Get testd for STDs, both of you. Stop hanging with these couples. Go to marriage counselling. be open/transparent/honest. Your wife needs to stop mixing Ambien & alcohol and more importantly, learn when to walk away from someone completely after they have tried to kiss her so that these types of things don't happen...
JB, I totally understand the craziness possible from drug interaction. However, it was a bad situation to be in, and she absolutely should have stopped, but didn't. Keylogger and VARs were advised to dig deeper. Pointless now that he has shown her everything.
Drug interactions are tough stuff to deal with, if 23 feels that that's all there is to it, his mind won't be chandd. But he has gotten good advice about seeking medical care. Posted via Mobile Device
You say you're not drug users??..What do you think alcohol is? I'm no doctor, but I really can't see the reason to take all that crap in the first place....some of the s#$t the FDA approves is not only worthless but dangerous...
She really needs to detox herself and then the both of you need to get some counseling..and get rid of that so-called "friend".
23's wife - to add a little levity to a rough situation - I work in retail to - everyone should have to for some period of their lives - I completely understand what you mean by that. You just have to let the crazy customers roll off your back.
Hang on - you're likely to get a few rough responses from some of the betrayed spouses here. They understandably have very little patience with those of us on the wayward side. Just be sure you do whatever you have to make sure you are never ever anywhere near another situation like this again. And if that OM steps off the curb in front of you - run him over with that Karma bus of Appleducklings!!
Sigma,
I hope I wasn't coming across as one of the rough ones. I'm not a betrayed spouse. I was only trying to show that some critical stops that most people put in place were bypassed. I'm not a prude, but just saying that if you take a step away from the situation, most people realize that heavy alcohol consumption, ambien, and a person of the opposite sex is a pretty good recipe for infidelity. Try it enough times, and somebody's private parts are going to end up in the wrong place.
Sigma,
I hope I wasn't coming across as one of the rough ones. I'm not a betrayed spouse. I was only trying to show that some critical stops that most people put in place were bypassed. I'm not a prude, but just saying that if you take a step away from the situation, most people realize that heavy alcohol consumption, ambien, and a person of the opposite sex is a pretty good recipe for infidelity. Try it enough times, and somebody's private parts are going to end up in the wrong place.
I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular or any post prior to 23's wife posting. Personally I thought your response was a good one. I was more thinking of my experience as a wayward and some of the responses I've seen other waywards get. I understand those responses and generally I agree with them, but they can be daunting. Personally I appreciated the really tough ones I got as much as any of them.
We dont even know what all the secretive spy stuff is. I honestly feel if you have to go to these depths your relationship is done. Like she said We have a 32ft 5th wheel we sleep in. Its by no meens cramped. or close courters. I guess when you go threw the older posts on here its always the same old met a guy and they snuck off. History between my wife and I goes somthing like this. She is the one and only girl I have ever slept with as well as her with me. Met at 14 and 16, married at 16 and 18. worked in the same place all our lives. We work together all day and spend our evenings together. I had a hiccup myself with a girl 15 years ago. Never slept with her or kissed her but let myself get to close. The wife knows about it and we moved on. We are literally together all day and night. We have only spent 2 nights apart since we were married as I had training for work and that was 5 years ago. We are pretty much attached at the hip. I showed her this thread becouse I take everything that was said on here and use it to get threw this weather it be good or bad. I want outsiders opinions as they may see things diffrently.
I think you have a strong marraige, and this is just an unfortunate "hiccup" you guys had to deal with. Just throw away the bottle and your marraige will be fine, I think. There are posters who might still suspect there is more to the story, and I guess you do have to watch for the signs. However, from reading your wife's posts, I really did not sense any reason to suspect.
You may not want to go to secret gadget of sort to monitor your wife, but a little vigilance to guard your marraige is considered a "healthy" practice anyway. In your case, you may not need to go overboard with it.
I want outsiders opinions as they may see things diffrently.
You've been getting outside opinions. You haven't liked what you've heard (understandable, of course). Doesn't mean they're not bad opinions to be discarded, though. I understand how close you two are, but she wasn't exactly considering all that when she continued to abuse drugs mixed with alcohol in certain situations.
It is drug abuse. She has taken a huge first step in stopping. But I strongly urge you to get her back to her doctor. This history she has needs to be known to her doctor so the pre-existing medicial condition (if i recall correctly that she had something going on) can be treated.
I get now that you're not going to pursue the possibility of an affair further. While I think its a mistake (especially now that common investigating tools have been discussed here, which she has read), I wish you well.
My eyes will be a bit wider open for sure. I dont take it oit of the relm of possibility. I suppose I will be looking for clues for a while even if I find nothing more. Its the nature of what happened. The friends list was cut off the day it happened. They text me today and I told them I want nothing more to do with them. On a side note, when I talked to the other wife in this the next day she said we should go get even with them, I was like are you freaken nuts. Friends are gone, prescription drugs are gone. we are moving forward 1 day at a time. We are closer then we have been in a while and more open with our feelings. The daily talks help me clear my head and move forward. If this was any diffrent then what it was it would be another story. By the way, After I found them the fight turned phsical, Pushed her hit her she hit me, all out brawl. She is bruised up pretty good and I have a few as well. Kind of par for the course in this situation though.
My eyes will be a bit wider open for sure. I dont take it oit of the relm of possibility. I suppose I will be looking for clues for a while even if I find nothing more. Its the nature of what happened. The friends list was cut off the day it happened. They text me today and I told them I want nothing more to do with them. On a side note, when I talked to the other wife in this the next day she said we should go get even with them, I was like are you freaken nuts. Friends are gone, prescription drugs are gone. we are moving forward 1 day at a time. We are closer then we have been in a while and more open with our feelings. The daily talks help me clear my head and move forward. If this was any diffrent then what it was it would be another story. By the way, After I found them the fight turned phsical, Pushed her hit her she hit me, all out brawl. She is bruised up pretty good and I have a few as well. Kind of par for the course in this situation though.
So, you had a violent confrontation with your wife afterwards, eh? Wow! Who needs soap opera when we hear all this?
On a side note, when I talked to the other wife in this the next day she said we should go get even with them
2 possibilities about these people here-
1) they are swingers and are trying to turn you two into their play pals. Some swingers have the fantasy of being able to convince couples or individuals into their bidding instead of dealing with people who already agree to the lifestyle. This is some sick sh!t, if that's the case.
2) Husband has done this before and wife is looking for revenge affairs.
either case their dynamic is toxic and poisonous and cutting them out of your life is certainly the best thing to do.
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