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Old 01-13-2012, 09:36 AM   #841 (permalink)
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I don't see your wife as a person that goes out of her way to please others. Yeah, she sailed around with you, let you have a garden, etc. But then she has a ll this resentment towards you about it, and treats you accordingly....people pleaser? not sure

And if she wanted to make you happy then she wouldn't have gotten the CAT (yes, I said it lol), it was actually kind of a selfish thing to do.
Selfish and bad decisioons can be two different things. Wife comes from a cat family. I think she just thoght DG would love the cat once she got it. Instead he was offended and that in turn hurt her feelings. Just another case of good intentions gone bad. People hurt each other all the time and have no idea or intention of doing so.

BTW, it turns out that my whole family is allergic to cats. When we found this out we already had a house cat. It wasn't even a good cat. It hung on for fifteen years. We would have given it away but it liked to bite when it was done being petted.
That last trip to the vet was...........
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:38 AM   #842 (permalink)
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Well...to the extent she tends to just go along with the flow...She doesn't often originate things to do, hobbies, vacation ideas, etc.....she might just think she is a people pleaser cause she does what others want to do. But...she's kind of a wall flower at social events. She gets along with people fine....but tends to let them come to her...versus getting out there and meeting people. I guess I could see how SHE might think that.
Do you think your personality overwhelms her?
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:41 AM   #843 (permalink)
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I don't see your wife as a person that goes out of her way to please others. Yeah, she sailed around with you, let you have a garden, etc. But then she has a ll this resentment towards you about it, and treats you accordingly....people pleaser? not sure

And if she wanted to make you happy then she wouldn't have gotten the CAT (yes, I said it lol), it was actually kind of a selfish thing to do.
I agree absolutely, she should not have gotten the cat knowing you were allergic, that was selfish.

I think maybe since she is a wall flower and not very out going, she isn't a people pleaser by choice but because she doesn't have what it takes to throw a plate across the room and say "No, dammit!" Not that I'm throwing dishes around or anything like that.....
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:43 AM   #844 (permalink)
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Many people with mental health issues are what I describe as "night and day" (my oldest son who is 19 is like this).

They are daylight when they are at work and school (people pleasers, nice to a fault, etc). Then they become night (not respectful, grumpy, take their troubles out on you) when they get home.

Based on this thread and our conversation earlier about the beginning of your relationship and marriage, I'm inclined to say, your W has a mental illness. These books are more than likely to not do anything for her (if she does have a mental illness) without counseling.
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Do you think your personality overwhelms her?
I don't know.....something for the MC to determine, I guess.
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:29 PM   #846 (permalink)
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Any updates?
Funny you should ask...I was JUST getting ready to update.

Well....we had our MC yesterday. This was a MUCH better session. Actually, she was quite a bit friendlier the week after our last session (two weeks ago)...for about a week. Last week she was more distant, again. I THINK this was because I've been dealing with year-end..and working my butt off. Once again, coming home late. But, I tried to limit that to only a total of 5 days (out of the past two weeks.) I did do a LOT of work from home (all last weekend, for instance.) But....this year is much better than prior years.

Anyway...we were actually talking fairly nicely (nothing deep)...but fairly friendly yesterday. By the time we got to the MC, we were actually joking around a bit. MC came in and commented how we seemed so much lighter than we had previously. MC pointed out that the first two sessions, W basically refused to really even talk at all.

So...MC starts us off with our appreciations of each other..then asked what we wanted to discuss. I had actually triggered pretty hard during the week. I wasn't sure I wanted to bring out any of the heavy stuff...but finally decided I NEEDED to talk about the attempted EA. MC aske W if she was willing to talk about it. She basically responded that there really wasn't anything to talk about, and started in again about how he was just a friend...and she didn't like how I addressed this. MC pressed her a bit...and she was completely minimizing it...and thought I overreacted by telling the OMW. Finally, MC asked her if she was willing to answer/address my questions. W resonded "I guess."

So...I proceeded to tell her how hurt I was about her sharing our issues with another man. How she was reaching out to him, basically advertising her being available. She denied this....so I responded that I felt her minimizing what was happening was disrepectful to me. That...any one of the emails were not smoking guns...but her response to me confronting her ("We would never have gone through with it"...and "I guess I was just falling for his smooth talk")....proved to me that it was much more than "just friends." She proceeded to claim she never said these things. I told her...maybe not verbatim...but something along these lines. She denied again. So...I started quoting some of the exchanges......with each one, I could see it sinking into her that they were NOT just friends. But...she tried saying that he was friendly to lots of people...and was just a friendly person. So I asked her....'if this was SOOO innocent...why did you feel the need to hide in the bathroom to correspond with him?' MC pressed that point to her...and she acknowledged that she knew I would not approve of the conversations. MC pressed this more, asking her if she could acknowledge, then, that the emails might have (at a minimum) been pressing a boundary....and in a grey area. W actually acknowledged, at this point, that it probably was a grey area. So...I challenged her....'if I were developing a conversation with one of the mothers at the dance class...and YOU saw these same texts from ME.....can you honestly say you wouldn't have been upset??" She kind of deflated a bit...and finally agreed...she would have been upset. [BREAKTHROUGH??]

I honestly feel she struggled with that, because to admit that..means she had to admit she was ACTUALLY the type of person that could have started an innappropriate relationship with someone. I know that acknowledgement would really shake her self identity.

I then asked about the conversations in her car. She flat out refused to admit there is another phone...that she was just talking to herself. I simply find this hard to believe...but realized ...short of playing the recordings to her (and MC...which I'm not sure the MC would allow)....I wasn't going to get anywhere with that. Since I was never able to find definitive proof of this phone.....at least for now....I'll leave it be.

The whole conversation was pretty charged, but not confrontational. I was surprised. MC asked me what this acknowledgement meant to me. I told them, it meant we could deal with the why of this...and that I WASN'T crazy.

Anyway...after the session, I asked W if we could ask the sitter to stay longer, and we go out for a couple drinks and talk. She agreed....so we spent the next 3 hours over some food/drinks....talking. Mostly it was just light stuff. But it was nice. When we came home (around 8:00 pm), I started getting ready to watch a movie...expecting her to go to bed (normal routine.) I was really surprised that she joined me on the sofa....and we wound up watching movies until we both were falling asleep (around 12:30 AM.) It has been FOREVER since she has stayed up late with me. We really had a very nice time.

Today, she's been talking to me about things (projects) she wants to do around the house (all long-term, large projects.) We continue to be getting along today. It appears that us just talking about our issues might actually be making a big difference in our interactions.

I'm not really too sure what long-term conclusions I can make here. She just went to the grocery store...and I texted her that I love her. I don't really expect a response...but feel she needs to here that, now and then.

We have another MC session in two weeks. I'm hoping we can keep the conversations going, and continue addressing the issues. I have hope right now....but still keeping my eyes open.

What do you guys think?
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This sounds very promising and I'm happy for you guys (not even asking how the cat is doing)!
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I forgot to mention that when she decided to call it a night, and started heading upstairs to bed...she asked me if I was staying up. I asked her if she minded me coming up to bed with her. She said no....so...for the first time in YEARS...we actually went to bed together. Apparently I didn't snore much...cause she didn't push my out, in the middle of the night. I appears my weight loss (down to 190 lbs now) is making a big difference.
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This sounds very promising and I'm happy for you guys (not even asking how the cat is doing)!
HA!
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To paraphrase an old saying about "avoiding a trap";

The first step to solving a problem is to recognize or admit the existence of a problem.

Sounds like you may have taken the first steps up a high hill.

One step at a time. One step at a time. Eventually, you reach the top.
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To paraphrase an old saying about "avoiding a trap";

The first step to solving a problem is to recognize or admit the existence of a problem.

Sounds like you may have taken the first steps up a high hill.

One step at a time. One step at a time. Eventually, you reach the top.
Yeah...she still hasn't recognized my pain about it yet...or really expressed remorse....but....it IS a step.
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Yeah...she still hasn't recognized my pain about it yet...or really expressed remorse....but....it IS a step.
Well........maybe her admitting that she would be upset if she had found emails between YOU and a Mom at the dance class was her, in a weird round about way, acknowledging your pain. Maybe...kind of.

A little progress is better than none at all.
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I forgot to mention that when she decided to call it a night, and started heading upstairs to bed...she asked me if I was staying up. I asked her if she minded me coming up to bed with her. She said no....so...for the first time in YEARS...we actually went to bed together. Apparently I didn't snore much...cause she didn't push my out, in the middle of the night. I appears my weight loss (down to 190 lbs now) is making a big difference.
That is even better!
Are you still using that mouth piece thing for the snoring? Last view weeks have been bad for me due to not much sleep but I'm working on daily affirmations that his snoring is not something to be bothered about but a noise that makes me feel safe (hubby snoring = hubby sleeping next to me = feeling safe). Sometimes I still want to yell at him "Shut up already!". It's hard but I believe it makes a big difference for him that we sleep in the same bed.
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That is even better!
Are you still using that mouth piece thing for the snoring? Last view weeks have been bad for me due to not much sleep but I'm working on daily affirmations that his snoring is not something to be bothered about but a noise that makes me feel safe (hubby snoring = hubby sleeping next to me = feeling safe). Sometimes I still want to yell at him "Shut up already!". It's hard but I believe it makes a big difference for him that we sleep in the same bed.
No...that mouthpiece thing hurts my jaw...and kept coming out. I gave up on it. I'll concentrate on just losing some more weight (I was at 205 three months ago.) Only problem with sleeping with her, last night....is...I SOOOO wanted to snuggle up to her. But...baby steps. The MC gave us the assignment of giving each other hugs every day. We haven't hugged in so long....I basically stopped giving her my got-home hugs, about 1 1/2 years ago...when I realized they were being returned with the one-arm buddy hug. So..the hugs are something big. I didn't want to push it with the snuggling. Besides....the woman turns me on so much....I figured my inadvertant "reaction" would be too obvious.
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How bout just telling her "Ugh, what a day! A big old hug would really help...." to get the hugging thing started again slowly, maybe just with buddy hugs at first.
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