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post #76 of 326 (permalink) Old 01-28-2017, 09:11 AM
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yes and I read recently that man who has many partners before marriage is more likely to cheat.
This is a blanket statement and has been said about women as well.

It is useless because it doesn't take the most important factors into consideration.

Mrs. Conan was promiscuous and cheated in both of her marriages before me and was the OW twice while single.

I was with 60 women before meeting her and it would have easily been closer to 300 if I wouldn't have been so picky.

I never knowingly had anything to do with a married woman or even someone's girlfriend BTW.

Yet we have been faithful to each other once we got going and committed to each other.

We did have some bumps in our first year dating but since then and definitely since vows were exchanged, no hint of infidelity.

I have known many folks who married as virgins that cheated. Some, tragically, after 20 years of great marriage. They were just butt stupid and didn't think themselves capable of it so didn't gaurd against it.

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Wouldn't matter what they did. Societies with polygamy as the foundation are far less developed and dependent on the inventiveness and industry of more advanced cultures.

If Saudi Arabia wasn't located on oil and convenient for political reasons, there development, by more advanced cultures, would not have come to pass.
Marriage means different things to different people.

Someone on TAM might not view a marriage as a "true" marriage if it is not monogamous. Plenty of other people might disagree.

It is no secret that many marriages traditionally were based on economic advantages. Were they not "true" marriages? Does it not depend on the parameters being used to define "true" marriage?

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Marriage means different things to different people.

Someone on TAM might not view a marriage as a "true" marriage if it is not monogamous. Plenty of other people might disagree.

It is no secret that many marriages traditionally were based on economic advantages. Were they not "true" marriages? Does it not depend on the parameters being used to define "true" marriage?
Well I obviously define it by the parameters of my God.

I definitely note partnerships inside polygamy and don't harbor ill will towards them, I'm actually friends with a couple, but I don't acknowledge them to be a "true" marriage. It doesn't really matter to them nor should it. They do not lay claim to the same God I do.

Now. Anyone claiming my God and promoting polygamy would be a legitimate target for my ire.
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Well I obviously define it by the parameters of my God.

I definitely note partnerships inside polygamy and don't harbor ill will towards them, I'm actually friends with a couple, but I don't acknowledge them to be a "true" marriage. It doesn't really matter to them nor should it. They do not lay claim to the same God I do.

Now. Anyone claiming my God and promoting polygamy would be a legitimate target for my ire.
how about if they are promoting re-marriage after divorce due to infidelity?

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how about if they are promoting re-marriage after divorce due to infidelity?
Re-marriage to the person they divorced? I'm for it in certain circumstances though old covenant rules forbid, and I still take caution with old covenant scriptures, because new covenant rules supercede many, but not all by a long shot, old covenant rules.

Actually I'm somewhat mistaken anyway. Bad flu. But remarriage after divorce for a lot of reasons should be ok.

Though Paul wrote against divorce and promoted separation if necessary but this subject should probably be on someone else's thread.
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Re-marriage to the person they divorced? I'm for it in certain circumstances though old covenant rules forbid, and I still take caution with old covenant scriptures, because new covenant rules supercede many, but not all by a long shot, old covenant rules.

Actually I'm somewhat mistaken anyway. Bad flu. But remarriage after divorce for a lot of reasons should be ok.

Though Paul wrote against divorce and promoted separation if necessary but this subject should probably be on someone else's thread.
i was just curious. i remember reading somewhere that re-marriage used to be classified a form of polygamy since back in the day, the church never recognized the divorce.

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i was just curious. i remember reading somewhere that re-marriage used to be classified a form of polygamy since back in the day, the church never recognized the divorce.
Depends on the church.

Catholicism is far removed from actual biblical principles on many levels.
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Well I obviously define it by the parameters of my God.

I definitely note partnerships inside polygamy and don't harbor ill will towards them, I'm actually friends with a couple, but I don't acknowledge them to be a "true" marriage. It doesn't really matter to them nor should it. They do not lay claim to the same God I do.

Now. Anyone claiming my God and promoting polygamy would be a legitimate target for my ire.
I agree, for myself as a Christian, monogamous faithful marriage is the right thing and the only thing I want.
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i was just curious. i remember reading somewhere that re-marriage used to be classified a form of polygamy since back in the day, the church never recognized the divorce.
Thats the RC church, they have divorces, but they get round it by calling it an annulment. Its hypocritical.
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Depends on the church.

Catholicism is far removed from actual biblical principles on many levels.
seems to me that it was rooted in scripture...

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.

Mark 10:11
So He told them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Luke 16:18
Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


Romans 7:2-3
For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.


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Thats the RC church, they have divorces, but they get round it by calling it an annulment. Its hypocritical.
yep.

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seems to me that it was rooted in scripture...

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.

Mark 10:11
So He told them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Luke 16:18
Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


Romans 7:2-3
For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
Ok. If infidelity takes place, divorce is certainly a biblical option. These scriptures all point that way.

People can be forgiven, lets not forget, by God.

My wife was both cheated on and the cheater in both her marriages before me.

She obviously divorced them, not directly for the infidelity but from neglect in the first neglect and abuse in her second marriage and to protect her small child.

She made bad choices to marry those guys and bad choices before, during and after.

She has repented and received forgiveness.

Since sexual immorality did occur in both her marriages and both her marriages did end, she was free to marry again especially after repenting and being forgiven.

Both her husbands cheated on her first BTW.

The full scripture surrounding the several single verses you listed also paints a bigger picture of what was being taught.

This is a TJ.

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i started a thread on it in politics and religion.

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seems to me that it was rooted in scripture...

Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9
Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.

Mark 10:11
So He told them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.

Luke 16:18
Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11
To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.
But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.


Romans 7:2-3
For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage.
So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
The word Jesus uses in Matthew is 'pornea'. This can mean many different types if sexual sin, its where the word porn comes from. Many think it just means adultery. Nearly all of the divorces I know of in the church were because of pornea, so those people were free to end the marriage and remarry later on if God led them to.
Even if the divorce wasn't for that, there is forgiveness and a new start and new beginning for any sin we commit. This includes divorce(if it was a sin).
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