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Another teacher sex story, it's like no one watches the news

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#1 ·
This upstanding god fearing snowflake waited until her husband was gone before inviting the lad around and doing the deed. She got caught, her life is probably over and seems the husband (and good on him too) swiftly filed for divorce..none of this I'll stand with you and forgive you for banging a teenage boy 90 times.

Payson dance teacher charged with raping male student | Deseret News
 
#5 ·
The hell? Is it normal for Americans to still be at the secondary level at 17? We leave at sixteen where I'm from.

If the age of consent in the country is 17 then she should have known better. It is 16 here. Also she even supplied alcohol? Wow. These things lead to unfair treatment in class? That's what I would be mad about if I was in a class with this boy. If I am studying hard to get a good grade and because Chad over here is humping her he is getting As. Hell no!

BTW @BobSimmons how do you know she was god-fearing?
 
#6 ·
Job?

Gone.

Marriage? Family? Home?

Gone.

Alimony may also be unlikely due to proof of infidelity, plus her STBXH may have a solid case for full or primary custody.

Hope it was worth it.
 
#8 ·
Aparently there is also a second student who she gave alcohol and then had sex with. The law reads that if the person holds a position of authority over the child, they cannot consent to sex until they are 18. She, being their teacher, was in a position of authority and so they could not consent under law at age 16 or 17.

The reality was that she got these boys drunk and used her position to goad them into sex. She deserves what she gets, just as I would feel if this were a male teacher intoxicating a female student then having sex with her.

I'm glad her husband filed for divorce, but what a crappy way to find out!

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#12 ·
What if it shouldn't be done to either sex? I met my husband when I was 15 and he was 25. We started going out when I was 16, and was engaged at 17. I offered to give myself to him a dozen times but he said no, not until I'm legal. If I had asked him and he'd said yes, he would have then committed a crime and been called a child sex offender. For having sex with his then-fiancee! That's messed up if you ask me.
 
#10 ·
@EunuchMonk 17 is the normal age for a HS senior in the states. Depending when and where he was born he could be 18. To echo the point other posters made: the age of consent depends on the state you live in, although the norm seems 16, by law. The term used to describe when it is broken is "statutory". Unlike the normal rape charge the under age does not have to press charges, in fact even if they don't want to the parents can.

A few decades ago there where a lot of stories about male teachers have sexual relations with 16 years olds. The girl could be 16 years and a weak when the intercourse happened no charges could be brought. So most states change the law to include any student/teacher intercourse regardless of age. If the boy was 18 she still would be charged as she was a teacher in his school. This provision applied only to teachers and admin. Note if he worked for her at a job, no chateges would likeky be brought. If it was the 45 year old neighbor no charges would be brought because he was of legal age to give consent.
 
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#18 ·
I live relatively close to there. Culturally even closer. Most kids in "alternative" high Schools here, are considered "at risk", which is a nice euphemism for just about to flunk out. Most of them are substance abusers of some sort. But, and this is the bit that has me shaking my head, most of the teachers in these schools are top notch very experienced educators. This perp looks like she went straight from college to teaching troubled students. Not a very wise administrative decision.
 
#19 ·
A teacher is in a position of power in regards to their students. I worked in a school with many students who due to receiving special education services were allowed to continue to be in school untilt the age of 21. Just because there is a small age difference between student and teacher that does not give a right to the teacher to take advantage of their position of power to "fall in love" or engage in any kind of sexual relationship with their students. There are laws in place and until they change one must follow the law. There is a code of ethics that educators must follow and if they cannot do so then maybe they need to accept the consequences of their actions.
 
#27 ·
A 25 year old dating a 15 year old girl.
I'll just say that's a bad idea and leave it at that.

Should it be prosecuted as a crime? Yes, there needs to be legal boundaries in place to protect KIDS from making poor decisions with grown people who are capable of taking advantage of them.

I think there should be some logic involved in the sex offender label.

I guess I just wanted to say I'm glad you're happy, Ella, but I sure think 99% of the time, 15 and 25 is matches and gasoline.
 
#31 ·
Ok 2nt. I have a problem with him being called a "lucky bastard". He's not a bastard. I hear there's a petition circulated by the male students to bring the teacher back on campus.
 
#40 ·
I won't go too far into this but I have been in a similar though not exact situation as the student in this story. Although at the time I was all for it, it did mess up my perceptions for quite a while. In my EXPERIENCE she deserves what she gets.

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#43 ·
Andy, you want an intelligent answer?

Read the law. Does it say that it was rape? .....................Well?


Yes?


Then it was. You are arguing no point at all. You can't stand the facts. You live in a dream world where you can make your own laws and choose which apply to you and which don't.

There's your intelligent answer. I've been alluding to that all along. I don't see how anyone can misunderstand or argue with that unless they are incapable of understanding simple thoughts.
 
#57 ·
As someone who fell in love with an adult as a minor, I'm exhausted of being treated like a victim in a relationship where I'm perfectly happy and healthy. Sometimes, people insist that I'm a victim of abuse from my very loving and very devoted husband whether I know it or not!! Meanwhile, I've also been actually abused, and there are people who have said I "deserved it" or I "should have known better".

So what I've learned from this is that age and gender have a LOT to do with how people perceive abuse, consent, etc, where it really shouldn't be. A teenage girl is always a helpless victim, even if she's happy and in love and there are no control issues in the relationship? An older man is always the abuser in a troubled relationship? These are stereotypes, and they're wrong.

Adult men can be abused. Teenage girls can be abused. Adult women can be abused. Teenage boys can be abused.

Adult men can consent. Teenage girls can consent. Adult women can consent. Teenage boys can consent.

Whether a relationship is healthy and mutually satisfying has NOTHING to do with age or gender. It had a whole lot more to do with the individual mental health of both parties in the relationship. People need to look at the couple's dynamics and at the individual persons' personalities, temperament, and mental wellness, and look for signs of trauma if they suspect a relationship isn't healthy. But no, that takes too much work and too much examination, so law enforcement just places these inaccurate and stereotypical labels on people. :rolleyes:
 
#53 ·
"Meanwhile, the age of consent should be dramatically lowered, perhaps to 14 like it is in Japan, or maybe 15. The concept of "child sexual abuse" should be done away with altogether, and the moral and legal line should be based only on consent. Basically, the law should be based much more on whether the younger party feels safe, happy, and mentally okay with the relationship, and much less on an arbitrary number."

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that you don't know what the **** you are talking about.
 
#55 ·
Legally speaking, consent is impossible prior to the age of consent.

Duh.

Anyone OK w/ a 13-year-old "consenting" to sexual activity w/ a 30-year-old should pretty much be ignored, and w/ respect to pretty much anything.
 
#62 ·
The intellect development comparisons between the sex adds unnecessary complexity. Hence, the laws about teach<>student sex is simple. NO SEX WITH STUDENTS. Even if he or she is 19 years old, in highschool - a teacher or other staff of the school cannot have sex with a student. Now, if a teacher is in school A and the student is in school B at age 17+, then I doubt the law is broken, especially if in different school districts.
 
#63 · (Edited)
Another interesting case here in Texas involves a 28 year old female school teacher who was off on a school sanctioned trip abroad in Africa!

Evidence broadly suggests that while there was absolutely no sexual contact in the state prior to embarking upon the trip, but that it was certainly discussed amongst the participants here!

Having said that, once in Africa, this woman had numerous bouts of sex with both a 17 and 18 year old boy student of hers!

Upon discovery and upon returning from the trip, she summarily lost her teaching credentials, but the State of Texas is somewhat reluctant to charge her with a crime since the act was perpetrated over in a foreign jurisdiction!

And there is no current law on the books that would keep a teacher from simply talking or conspiring such a sex act!

Since she may soon sue the school district for reinstatement, the Texas legislature is soon to be considering making talking or planning such an activity a state criminal act!

Even if they succeed, it still could not be enforced because of its ex post facto status!
 
#66 ·
And there is no current law on the books that would keep a teacher from simply talking or conspiring such a sex act!

Since she may soon sue the school district for reinstatement, the Texas legislature is soon to be considering making talking or planning such an activity a state criminal act!

Even if they succeed, it still could not be enforced because of its ex post facto
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The state courts have no jurisdiction over offenses that occur outside Texas state borders. It wont fly.
 
#65 ·
I lost my virginity when I was seventeen to a woman who was in her mid thirties. She was not a teacher nor in any position of authority over me. Just a divorced neighbor lady. I did not feel used, exploited, raped or violated in any way. I enjoyed the hell out of it and even went back for seconds a couple of weeks later.

But in this case, this gal abused a position of public trust and took advantage of her teacher/student relationship. She should be punished, but for sexual misconduct with a minor...not rape.
 
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