slightly confused; is it wrong that my wife wanted to communicate with another man, even though he is a few thousand miles away and is an old friend from 30yrs ago..she left her skype account open a few days back and I noticed that she had a friendship acceptance form this chap, which then prompted me to investigate further, I did the wrong thing and checked her email the next day and saw that she had sent this contact an email informing him that I ad seen the request and it would better to wait for things to calm down before they speak..and if there was anything further he should contact her via her "other" facebook account, she denies having another account and said that it was his..but she can't make a simple mistake with the verb to be being a teacher!
Anyway we argued and heatedly discussed this, she failed to see that she had done wrong or was about to do wrong, she was never going to tell me she was communicating with this guy when I asked her about it as she says "I am jealous of all her male friends" not true..she has other male friends but she does not contact "them" via skype...my issue is not the fact she has male friends, but the way in which she was due to communicate with this particular guy is what negged me out a bit..I removed skype but later re-installed it as she does need to communicate with her family as they are all in Latin America and we have kids together and I really want to make this work for them, well of course my wife and I too.
We are however making headway, I have promised to stop being nosey and leave her email account alone, she has come out of her shell a tad more and is not spending 3hrs on facebook..although I now sleep with "one eye open" she has re-contacted this guy as I said that I could keep her from talking to anybody and I would want to, but I have made it clear that she will not be communicating through skype with this guy. She also says that she concerned about my lack of trust and that she feels she needs "privacy" and that my jealousy and checking emails has "freaked her out!" I know I have my issues and am dealing with them, but I think something is not quite right..pls comment!!!
saw that she had sent this contact an email informing him that I ad seen the request and it would better to wait for things to calm down before they speak..and if there was anything further he should contact her via her "other" facebook account, she denies having another account and said that it was his
Don't beat around the bush. Tell her that lying and weasel-wording are as bad as cheating in your book and she's got 24 hours to come clean about everything before you assume the worst. Don't let her jerk your chain unless you want her going after this fellow. Show her that you will first be listened to before you will listen.
What issues? You don't want your wife running around and talking to other men behind your back. Friend, it's an electronic-communications age and only rubes and babies don't know the dangers of that. Lay down the law.
Yeah...she's probably been "inappropriate" with this guy for a while now. Who knows the extent, hopefully minimal for your sake. Does she travel for work, or has she been out of town lately for something or other?
She's angry that she got caught...especially since she seems pretty tech savvy, if she knew you had seen the Skype request.
The fact that she claims she's done no wrong in this says either you two have too few boundaries in place in your relationship...or...she is in the fog of affair and will justify her actions in any way possible before admitting what she's been hiding. Or both. Anyway, she wouldn't hide it if she didn't feel it was wrong. It hurts to be lied to.
Tell her it has nothing to do with jealousy/snooping. She's hiding communications with other men from you, she's made an emotional bond with the OM, probably talking about your marriage with him (which she should be doing with you)...and she wants you to feel crazy for being concerned?
Take charge of the situation, don't be angry, don't beg or plead. Just confer to her that you deserve her respect and she isn't giving it to you. Good luck...
She does not work at the moment and is somewhat depressed by it all and is far from home, wants to remember old friends, needs constant reminders that shes a great person (which I do always tell her). she claims she would never disclose "our" relationship to him (don't believe that for a minute) I have never put pressure on her to get a job as I know first hand the lengthy processes involved and have stressed that it will happen but she needs to keep trying, on the other hand it could all be down to menopause too as she is now + side of 40 so..who knows??.
Thanks for that..makes sense. Your right I think its a tad harsh for her to be doing this, could it be a case of lacking any attraction for me which is why she is on FB so much?..that is what I have deducted from this whole thing, we are now getting in much better (intimately) but the need to have this guy as contact is whats bugging me..I have also told her that the emotional energy she would be putting into this contact would quite clearly constitute to "emotional affair". seems that we cant find a mutual ground on this topic and it flairs up to heated discussions..She also thinks it is impossible to have feelings for someone who lives x-amount of miles away...is she really that Naive??
All cheaters want their privacy. She lied to you. Wasn't going to tell you. Then tells you she wants her privacy. Its simple lie to her. Keep checking her stuff and install a keylogger on the computer. I will guarantee that if you put a keylogger on it, you will find secret e-mail accounts and further contact.
if your wife says she wants privacy, you should know that she is up to no good. Well at least that was my ex reason for "privacy". I agree with lascarx, privacy is only for single person. when you are married, you share everything. And I don't think you are being nosy for checking her email. that is what ppl do when they suspect their partner cheating. you have every right to do what you are doing and you should continue doing it.
She should be happy for the both of you to share each others passwords to emails phones computers etc. If she doesn't belive in no secrets in a marriage, you have to do what you have to do to get inormation.
Wow - you caught her red handed setting up a way to contact him AND a backup plan to keep it underground AND her warning him on how to handle you being suspicious.
Even it is WASN'T her secret account - you know it was - but if it wasn't here is a guy setting up a secret backdoor communication with your wife.
THEN you let her cower you into agreeing to let it all happen, to let her have secret private communication methods etc.
I highly suspect there has already been inappropriate exchanges with them and they are setting up ways to escalate it. The skype video will likely help them have some fun face-2-face cyber play. So be on the watch for that and be on the watch for him visiting your area or her having to go on a "girls" trip to where he lives.
In short - they ARE doing everything an active affair does.
I don't think you did catch her in the nick of time, I think you caught her doing one part of it. The mistake you made was revealing to her what and how you knew it. Now he and she will take it underground in other ways.
I would in addition to the keylogger, you should put a VAR in her car and near the computer. Since he is in a different time zone, she's likely doing the dirty stuff while your out at work.
At this point you really should assume the worst - that they are having an affair and it's gone underground.
Find out about this old flame - is her married or have a GF. Find their contact info and if there is cheating going on - before you confront your wife - you contact the OMW and tell her what's going on.
He is an old school friend from some time ago, lives in South America (where the wife is from) and is not married...I have seen a conversation they had on skype which was innocent..but thats how it all starts..she sent an email to her friend saying that I was jealous that she wanted to contact old friends but failed to mention that she wanted privacy with this guy and that she never told me nor was going to tell me about him..red flag..I think so..
I found some on FB through mutual friends and some found me. I got married young so many of my old bfs were from my childhood (prior to 16). We caught up on career, kids, life, family... all through fb that my H had access to. That was it. Sometimes curiosity about how people are doing and what became of them and mutual friends is all that there is. We moved away from where we grew up so it allowed us to catch up on childhood friends.
My H had all my passwords and if he wanted them ever again he would get them. I have nothing to hide. I believe transparency is about respect/trust. My H currently doesn't feel the same though:-/
Good luck on getting your wife to see it from your pov. Have you asked her how she would feel if it were reversed?
I have and she of course would not like it one bit..not sure what to think now though..she most probs is playing me..trouble being we have 3 daughters together..young ones too..confused.com
A married person should never be doing anything, saying anything, touching anything to a person of the opposite sex, that they would not being OK doing in front of their spouse.
Nothing.
If you are doing anything like that, you are beginning to cheat at least in the sense of care, respect and love. You are putting a relationship with another person ahead of your relationship with your spouse. And that is cheating on your spouse and your marriage.
Your wife seems intent on down playing and blame shifting as well as gas lighting you.
Remember this isn't a court of law where you are seeking to prove and convict her.
This is you the spouse, telling her your boundaries in the relationship, and asking her to put your feelings and marriage first in her actions and her life.
Have just told her that she is completely lying and that she needs to decide whether or not to cease this contact illicitly or otherwise or we discuss the relationship with lawyers..her jaw dropped...
You mention you played a part in this, do you care to share? I do think it takes two to let the marriage get where it has gone... where she is looking for another person's attention. Neglect? Too high of expectations? Friends outside of her where she may be limited because of her job status and living far from home?
I take much of the blame for making my H feel the way he does, I didn't make him feel like he needed from me and I can say the same for him. It takes two, but once she steps on that other side and crosses the line that's on her.
She has not been on the laptop all night..apart from a few minutes..asked me for if I wanted a cup of tea..I refused..no words have been exchanged since I told her what the score was..is this normal?..
Yes, inwardly she is working out what to do next .
Edited: Often waywards are the greatest actors or actresses. In the meanwhile be calm , polite , don't show any anger, determine how long you are prepared to wait for her to give you a commitment . If she does calmly give her a copy of the template no contact letter and send it to the OM. If she does not start running the 180.
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It takes 2 to have a messed up marriage, and that in it self is its own issue.
To make a choice to commit this kind of crime and have the moral compose to justify it or lack of...then its a individual issue all by its self.
You did not have any part in her having an affair, she could have taken the tough road and left you then find someone else.
Waywards love to make excusses in why they are wired the way they are and the unhealthy choices they make, it has noting to do with the betrayed...IMHO
its all started to et aggressive now!..shes asking whats wrong withme?..whyam I being so..blah..blah..blah..(I am not reacting..drinking brew..chilling..she is the one raising voices...
Remain calm , when ready sit down and ask her to be honest . Do not get excited or pent up as she is likely to be evasive and even threatening . Then request she goes no contact on this guy and sends the NC letter. I suspect she will be pretty angry and refuse , blame you and imply your making it worse by not trusting her.
Don't fight her or engage in a useless argument as it weakens your position. Be firm and consistant. Posted via Mobile Device
Perhaps your doing to much , your a giver , in any relationship you both give and take in equal measure. With your wife not working she can pick up a lot of the housework. You should reset the understanding of who does what, get your confidence back and insist on equal share.
On the affair side you should know if she is indeed in an emotional affair and if she has been for a while they are often harder to break than a physical only affair .
A further item you should understand is do not fear losing her, it is this fear a wayward relies on to control you , it is this fear that stops a betrayed spouse from taking the steps to protect themselves and their marriage. If it comes to the worse make sure you secure your children and they stay with you in your current country of residence. Posted via Mobile Device
Totally understand the urge to drink right now, but it's not going to help you with this situation. If you must, don't do it around her. More importantly, you're going to need your head on straight to deal with the mess that's coming. Hang in there... Posted via Mobile Device
too late..mate..dunnit!.. she is pissed..started talking bout what I done an stuff..crying at how much this is unfair and forgivenes...
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