And if his wife did not have the accident, would he have ever discovered the affair (probably because the daughter knew) or recognized his wife slipping away? That is what I wonder.
Like many here, George Clonney's character is a decent guy, hard working, a "straight arrow". He however was negligent, did not live life and definitely somewhat stingy. But really was he a good husband & father?
I do not think Clooney was negligent or stingy. Thye had a beautiful house. Appeared the wife did not work and had a lot of outside interests. He did not want his kids to grow up becoming indulged brats.
He indicated he was dissatisfied with his wife, as she was with him. Many of the BSs here are in that boat,often being less the source of the problems in the marriage thnan the cheater. Yet, Clooney did not cheat.
I think you have to taqke the wife's dad's characterization of Clooney's stinginess with a grain of salt. Even though the dad was in pain, his abusiveness was incredible.
I really liked how the kids became close to their dad. I thought, now , with the cheater gone, he might meet a better partner.
I do not think Clooney was negligent or stingy. Thye had a beautiful house. Appeared the wife did not work and had a lot of outside interests. He did not want his kids to grow up becoming indulged brats.
He indicated he was dissatisfied with his wife, as she was with him. Many of the BSs here are in that boat,often being less the source of the problems in the marriage thnan the cheater. Yet, Clooney did not cheat.
I think you have to taqke the wife's dad's characterization of Clooney's stinginess with a grain of salt. Even though the dad was in pain, his abusiveness was incredible.
I really liked how the kids became close to their dad. I thought, now , with the cheater gone, he might meet a better partner.
The stinginess was shown in him driving an Accord and his own admission. He was certainly not a bad person, just one who started to let the marriage wane. Posted via Mobile Device
The stinginess was shown in him driving an Accord and his own admission. He was certainly not a bad person, just one who started to let the marriage wane. Posted via Mobile Device
Loves,
I sometimes wonder why my perceptions of people are so profoundly different than other peoples. Before we both question my sanity, I have made a very good living in technology sales where the sales cycles are very long. So I am confident that at least "in a business" context I understand folks pretty well.
IMO the movie portrayed Clooney as:
Responsible, perceptive and effective. He did a great job with his teenage daughter and was rather clever and funny in dealing with her boyfriend. There was some ridiculous comment about the viewers not knowing if he "abused" his wife. Really? WTF. The guy was very even keel. Even in the confrontation with the OM - he was not violent - despite being so angry. He was maybe too serious - and not playful enough for his wife, but a great guy.
And the wife was shown - albeit much less directly as:
A spoiled, materialistic woman - who was angry that her H wanted to limit their spending to what he EARNED as a successful lawyer. They lived in a beautiful house. She felt entitled to a giant inheritance. She was portrayed as that playful/fun person who was also very immature and self indulgent.
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Yes, each person brings his/her experiences to movies and songs, and if you have lived through infidelity your reaction will be very different than if you can watch this movie without personal baggage.
I thought the infidelity was being used as a metaphor for how George Clooney's character missed what is important in life. He buried himself in work, and did not pay attention to his wife and daughters. He also had to decide whether or not to sell out to development interests. Should he keep ancestral, beautiful land, or give in to greed?
I would have liked to see more of his relationship with his wife before her accident. I think we are supposed to assume that Clooney neglected her, but there is also the suggestion that she wanted excitement and did not have proper boundaries.
I also had trouble with the bratty kids, but I took this to mean that Clooney was not a good father to them.
I agree that the movie does not spell things out for the audience, and it can have several different interpretations.
Have,
This is pathetic beta justification (by you) of a spoiled wife who cheated on her very decent husband. Many of the people in my neighborhood drive really modest cars. Some of us chose to "speed pay" our mortgages, others to accelerate our retirement. And some think flashy cars are a waste of money.
He NEVER said he was stingy - he said he felt they should live within their means - of what he EARNED - which as we all saw was a very nice life style. And she was RESENTFUL that he wasn't in a hurry to access his inheritance.
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The stinginess was shown in him driving an Accord and his own admission. He was certainly not a bad person, just one who started to let the marriage wane. Posted via Mobile Device
Have,
This is pathetic beta justification (by you) of a spoiled wife who cheated on her very decent husband. Many of the people in my neighborhood drive really modest cars. Some of us chose to "speed pay" our mortgages, others to accelerate our retirement. And some think flashy cars are a waste of money.
He NEVER said he was stingy - he said he felt they should live within their means - of what he EARNED - which as we all saw was a very nice life style. And she was RESENTFUL that he wasn't in a hurry to access his inheritance.
I think you are missing the point. Yes they lived a nice life, but did not LIVE and enjoy life. The movie gave no indication one way or another of the issues in their marriage and left that to us. Again Mem11363 we know you are damn close to perfect - successful, good looking, physically fit and a loving husband.... You tell us that all the time in your pronouncements.
I think you gloss over the father in-laws comments, particularly the boat and how it contributed to the accident, and her best friend, who knew of the affair and encouraged the affair because something was missing. Was it right.... No, but George Clooney never addressed it either. Heck he was completely oblivious to the affair and disintegration of their marriage.
I think the point was they lived WELL INSIDE THEIR MEANS amongst other things.....
And exactly why am I beta to say so?? Posted via Mobile Device
Spending enough money on your spouse has nothing to do with her cheating. Purchasing a boat would not have pervented it.
Presumably, she married the guy for himself, not his wealth. If he was a mealticket and she wanted more material things, shje could have divorced.
Clooney's character, apparently, made decent enough $$ to afford her the luxury of staying home, getting facials etc while her kids were old enough to be in school. Even if he was dirt poor and would not spend $$, since when is it the husband's obligation to buy his wife's love?
As for the friend not telling him, that is not at all uncommon as the friend was hearing her version of the truth only.
The dad seemed to think that his daughter, who seemd to have plenty of leisure time, was entitled to the princess treatment.
I guess anyone with money who drives an accord and lives on his salary should watch out.
Spending enough money on your spouse has nothing to do with her cheating. Purchasing a boat would not have pervented it.
Presumably, she married the guy for himself, not his wealth. If he was a mealticket and she wanted more material things, shje could have divorced.
Clooney's character, apparently, made decent enough $$ to afford her the luxury of staying home, getting facials etc while her kids were old enough to be in school. Even if he was dirt poor and would not spend $$, since when is it the husband's obligation to buy his wife's love?
As for the friend not telling him, that is not at all uncommon as the friend was hearing her version of the truth only.
The dad seemed to think that his daughter, who seemd to have plenty of leisure time, was entitled to the princess treatment.
I guess anyone with money who drives an accord and lives on his salary should watch out.
Missing the point again. We have no idea what happened and it is all conjecture. There are some pieces to the puzzle and we are left to fill in the blanks.
I get it an affair is inexcusable regardless. A husband or wife can neglect their spouse be emotionally and physically unavailable (I.e. Working more than they have to or golfing or out with the guys).
Can't argue with you as it is always the woman's fault. Posted via Mobile Device
Missing the point again. We have no idea what happened and it is all conjecture. There are some pieces to the puzzle and we are left to fill in the blanks.
I get it an affair is inexcusable regardless. A husband or wife can neglect their spouse be emotionally and physically unavailable (I.e. Working more than they have to or golfing or out with the guys).
Can't argue with you as it is always the woman's fault. Posted via Mobile Device
I just think you took all kinds of liberties making assumptions about the guy in oreder to blame him.
Just look at that absurd observation where you equated driving an accord with being stingy. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Have,
If you read my post again, I believe you will see that I made an observation about the way people spend discretionary income. What was in my post about my:
- success (surely the fact that I own a house does not imply success - not in the US where most people own houses)
- appearance
- fitness level
- husbandly love
As to why I commented about you being beta - well that is very simple. You are chronically angry because your wife isn't willing to go "the extra mile" for you. Instead of solving that problem - which would require alpha traits - you come on here and lash out at others. Safe way to vent your anger - just doesn't solve the problem.
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Originally Posted by Havesomethingtosay
I think you are missing the point. Yes they lived a nice life, but did not LIVE and enjoy life. The movie gave no indication one way or another of the issues in their marriage and left that to us. Again Mem11363 we know you are damn close to perfect - successful, good looking, physically fit and a loving husband.... You tell us that all the time in your pronouncements.
I think you gloss over the father in-laws comments, particularly the boat and how it contributed to the accident, and her best friend, who knew of the affair and encouraged the affair because something was missing. Was it right.... No, but George Clooney never addressed it either. Heck he was completely oblivious to the affair and disintegration of their marriage.
I think the point was they lived WELL INSIDE THEIR MEANS amongst other things.....
And exactly why am I beta to say so?? Posted via Mobile Device
Missing the point again. We have no idea what happened and it is all conjecture. There are some pieces to the puzzle and we are left to fill in the blanks.
I get it an affair is inexcusable regardless. A husband or wife can neglect their spouse be emotionally and physically unavailable (I.e. Working more than they have to or golfing or out with the guys).
Can't argue with you as it is always the woman's fault. Posted via Mobile Device
Not always to woman's fault.
It IS always the fault of the cheating spouse however. Posted via Mobile Device
Have,
If you read my post again, I believe you will see that I made an observation about the way people spend discretionary income. What was in my post about my:
- success (surely the fact that I own a house does not imply success - not in the US where most people own houses)
- appearance
- fitness level
- husbandly love
As to why I commented about you being beta - well that is very simple. You are chronically angry because your wife isn't willing to go "the extra mile" for you. Instead of solving that problem - which would require alpha traits - you come on here and lash out at others. Safe way to vent your anger - just doesn't solve the problem.
I've said very little on TAM about my marriage. I've been careful not to so that people don't slough off what I say based on my "story". The most I have said is I don't have as much sex as I want and I certainly can't keep up with many here on TAM and their appetites
The comment about the Accord is that it is a very functional car (I own one). The placement of the car was certianly specifically done to make an impact on one's opinion of the character. For all we know the wife may have had a bmw or a mercedes. The fact an affluent successful lawyer chose an Accord and if I remember with cloth interior was meant to make a point.
Mem11363 you above had to mention your socio economic position in addition to your many posts bragging about your appearance and physical features. Its just the way you are. Posted via Mobile Device
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