I was expecting more to be made of the way they dealt with their finances. In the beginning, it was a big deal that his salary paid the mortgage and the cars, her salary paid the bills, etc. I was expecting there to be some point in the movie where they realized that a marriage = joint finances. A little surprised that that didn't happen. (Not that I don't think people can't have successful marriages with separate finances. But considering the point of the movie, I was expecting it. Instead, he gifts her parents the boat money, which is how he buys her love back - when the proper thing to do would have been to combine their finances and prioritize together.)
Yes, and according to a comment on the youtube version, the woman in the kiss scene is actually his wife, not the actress playing his wife, because he refused to kiss any woman other than his wife. Which is sweet, but also ridiculous if you know anything about professional acting.
Well, this IS the same person who had the actress playing his girlfriend fired from said bad 80's sitcom for *gasp* posing for Playboy, and who forced makeup artists to hide his wedding ring so it couldn't be seen on his single, teenaged character (rather than, y'know, taking it off like most actors). I don't think the word "professional" can apply to him beyond its most basic definition: he gets paid for the work. Posted via Mobile Device
Interestingly enough ^^^^ my inlaws also put this movie on while my wife and I were over. I sat through this crap with my blood boiling the whole time. I couldn't believe a firefighter...a man who must be born with the cojones to risk his life to save others was portrayed like a total b....for looking at porn and saving up for a boat. Well excuse me. If THAT is enough to get a woman to cheat we're all doomed.
Hmm I disagree, sort of. I don't think it's 'enough to get a woman to cheat' as I think that cheating is a choice that the individual makes, but I do think it's plenty to destroy a marriage. Porn is fine for some people and not fine for others. Catherine says - and I think this is very realistically portrayed - that she feels she can't compete with the porn and doesn't see the point. She's right about this. A real woman cannot compete with porn if her husband is addicted to it, as the firefighter was.
I am in a marriage that is not porn-tolerant. If my H was looking at porn, it would be devastating to me. Other marriages are different; they look at porn as fun and innocent or sexy or whatever. However, in a 'non-porn-tolerant' marriage, this is definitely enough to devastate a marriage. Not an excuse to have an EA, but remember she files for divorce. The movie was trying to cover everything - porn addiction, EA, divorce, financial problems, lack of communication, bad fighting, toxic friends, AND the religious stuff. By trying to cover everything it muddied the waters.
A real woman cannot compete with porn if her husband is addicted to it, as the firefighter was.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the movie never really established an "addiction" to porn. I believe that it did establish that he began viewing porn after she began intentionally withholding sex to punish him for not spending money on medical equipment whose necessity was likewise never established. The only reference to addiction being when, in a fit of trying to "win" back his cheating wife's affections, he smashed his computer saying, "No more addictions." Of course, given his treatment by his wife (as well as the theological roots of the production), I can understand both the character's and supporters of the movie's rush to the possible (probable?) incorrect conclusion that he was "addicted to porn." Posted via Mobile Device
This is that Kirk Cameron, holier-than-thou piece of religious propaganda garbage, right? The one that sends the message that, with blind faith in the Sky Bully, you can find the strength to buy back your cheating spouse's "love?" Posted via Mobile Device
Well, I like the Sky Bully just fine, but the movie sux on many different levels. However, it's in tune with American Christianity's pedestalizing of women for the last 180 years.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the movie never really established an "addiction" to porn. I believe that it did establish that he began viewing porn after she began intentionally withholding sex to punish him for not spending money on medical equipment whose necessity was likewise never established. The only reference to addiction being when, in a fit of trying to "win" back his cheating wife's affections, he smashed his computer saying, "No more addictions." Of course, given his treatment by his wife (as well as the theological roots of the production), I can understand both the character's and supporters of the movie's rush to the possible (probable?) incorrect conclusion that he was "addicted to porn." Posted via Mobile Device
I took the porn addiction scene to be a very hidebound director's attempt to talk about a porn addiction. They danced around the subject the whole movie that I took it for granted there was a lot more to it, they just couldn't bring themselves to talk about it openly.
I'm not a supporter of the movie but I don't think a timeline is ever established as to what happened first (internet porn / end of sexual intimacy).
I took the porn addiction scene to be a very hidebound director's attempt to talk about a porn addiction. They danced around the subject the whole movie that I took it for granted there was a lot more to it, they just couldn't bring themselves to talk about it openly.
They did everything else they could to justify her cheating, then make it perfectly acceptable for him to buy her back...don't see why including a single line to actually establish an addiction would be so out of their comfort zone.
I'd love to see a sequel that logically progresses from where it illogically left off: Husband continuing to toss money her way to keep her around, catering to her every whim, while wifey and the doc take their affair both physical and further underground. Posted via Mobile Device
I held back a bit about my opinion wanting others. I did not like the rug sweeping, the BS was doing all the work. The biggest problem was as we have all learned there is so much crap to deal with you cannot tie it up in a couple of hours.
The fights that they had were more in tune with reality. I was able to swap my wife and I into that scene, not a problem.
Yes TV is hard to watch so much cheating. Now that was my take on it as a BS. What would a WS think?
I'd love to see a sequel that logically progresses from where it illogically left off: Husband continuing to toss money her way to keep her around, catering to her every whim, while wifey and the doc take their affair both physical and further underground. Posted via Mobile Device
ah yes but you forget - she's now a born-again Christian and therefore ...fireproof! (my a$$)
We miss a lot of Sunday's at Church because we travel with our daughter almost every weekend. One Sunday we were in attendance and our pastor showed a brief clip. For one, I didn't just "feel" everyone's eyes on me I "KNOW" they were all on my to see my reaction. I was hyperventilating on the inside and praying to GOD that the tears I felt in my eyes wouldn't run down my face-they did! I was embarrassed to say the least. I haven't had to go back but only twice since that happened. Second I don't think I can watch it. I know it would cause a trigger and I honestly try to avoid those at all costs.
I do have faith and believe God can heal and change people and marriages. I just know timing now isn't good.
We miss a lot of Sunday's at Church because we travel with our daughter almost every weekend. One Sunday we were in attendance and our pastor showed a brief clip. For one, I didn't just "feel" everyone's eyes on me I "KNOW" they were all on my to see my reaction. I was hyperventilating on the inside and praying to GOD that the tears I felt in my eyes wouldn't run down my face-they did! I was embarrassed to say the least. I haven't had to go back but only twice since that happened. Second I don't think I can watch it. I know it would cause a trigger and I honestly try to avoid those at all costs.
I do have faith and believe God can heal and change people and marriages. I just know timing now isn't good.
I am not sure about what your situation was but I would imagine that would be difficult to deal with.
The biggest challenge for a couple in R is not to sweep things under the rug. I get to point once in awhile asking myself why am I dealing with this crap. I know that I want to get past this and move forward and to get past this there is going to be pain for both of us to deal with. I am not saying this movie is the answer for anyone. As I said there is to much crap in an affiar and a beat up marriage to deal with in a 2 hour movie.
ah yes but you forget - she's now a born-again Christian and therefore ...fireproof! (my a$$)
Mine too. Because there certainly aren't any lying, cheating, reprehensible born-again Christians in the world, right? (After all, the film's star Kirk Cameron himself is only reprehensible...at least he's honest and forthright about, say, his bigoted stance on homosexuality.) And, even in the fictional world of the movie, it's not like she'd ever break a vow she made on her faith...oh...wait.... Posted via Mobile Device
Hmm I disagree, sort of. I don't think it's 'enough to get a woman to cheat' as I think that cheating is a choice that the individual makes, but I do think it's plenty to destroy a marriage. Porn is fine for some people and not fine for others. Catherine says - and I think this is very realistically portrayed - that she feels she can't compete with the porn and doesn't see the point. She's right about this. A real woman cannot compete with porn if her husband is addicted to it, as the firefighter was.
I am in a marriage that is not porn-tolerant. If my H was looking at porn, it would be devastating to me. Other marriages are different; they look at porn as fun and innocent or sexy or whatever. However, in a 'non-porn-tolerant' marriage, this is definitely enough to devastate a marriage. Not an excuse to have an EA, but remember she files for divorce. The movie was trying to cover everything - porn addiction, EA, divorce, financial problems, lack of communication, bad fighting, toxic friends, AND the religious stuff. By trying to cover everything it muddied the waters.
The question begs asking...how many people can claim TRUE porn addiction, and not just use it as an excuse when they get caught out about it? Are they so embarrassed that instead of admitting to watching and using porn for pleasure, they have to lie, and claim an addiction?
Pretty soon, every little thing people do is going to be blamed on addiction. Oh. Wait a minute. It already is!
I'm really confused, watched fireproof years ago. Did not see an EA going on. It was years ago and I thought the acting suked and I remember getting mad at the wife, I remember the husband doing all these things for her nd she didn't care..Well shoot hubby and I thought we'd watch it now after all the problems we've been having since we don't remember really paying much attention to it.. Now the we both read this post he refuses to watch it. I don't remember an EA! hmmm should I just watch it alone or just give up on watching it again? Posted via Mobile Device
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