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Old 05-18-2012, 04:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I posted the naive beginnings of my story about three weeks ago, link here.

For those of you unfamiliar with it, I have been working contracts overseas in Southwest Asia. I've been married for more than 30 years to a woman of Indian/Pakistani origins.

A little more than two months ago, the wife was contacted by an old "boyfriend" on Facebook. More than 34 years ago this guy (an American) was ostensibly a graduate student instructor and my wife to-be was an undergrad at a foreign university. According to my wife, they had a little romance, which involved kissing and touching, but no sexual contact because she was a virgin at the time. He was also engaged to another woman, so they split. This was something that I gather my wife to-be did not take easily.

So, fast-forward 34 years. She gets married to me and has kids, who are adults now. He marries, divorces, marries again, has kids and an unusual career in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, finally returning home in the last 10 years.

I'm 55, she's 58, he's 63. Too old for this kind of drama, but it proves we're all still who we were as teenagers.

So this guy contacts my wife on Facebook. She mentioned this to me at the time (I am away working), but about two weeks later her emails begin to make demands for me to "show me love," accusations of infidelity (I have been caught cheating by her in the past), dissatisfaction with our marriage and me being away. This leads up to her telling me the marriage is over.

I am nonplussed by this, although I acknowledge I was not communicating with her to the best of my ability. It was the daily email or two, not the phone calls or Skype video sessions. I do suspect this contact with the guy has precipitated this, which she vehemently denies, because "he is married," among other reasons.

We were planning a vacation in the Mediterranean together in April, and she says I should take it alone. In the midst of this, she gets word that her sister-in-law (brother's wife) is terminally ill in the UK. I email her and propose we go and visit her and take my R&R in the UK. I do not get an answer to this over a weekend. We end up talking by phone and she says she was away consoling a friend whose husband just died. She agrees to go to the UK and we meet there and have a good time, although when she gives me her laptop to show me something, I take the opportunity to look at her Skype and a message from this guy pops up - "I love you." She says she had not met him yet.

Well, shorten a long story, due to the good advice on this board, I end up contacting his wife, then demanding all of her passwords. This leads to a chain of events where I find a whole bunch of stuff out, including a whole chain of emails between them, in an email account she thought was hidden (but cut off when OM sets up special email addresses for the two of them). These are devastating in their intimacy and professions of love, although no sexual talk - but this is before they met. I get his Skype voicemails to her "I love you, I'm missing you" Then the phone and cell phone accounts - about 11 hours on the phone in April (even though she was away in the UK for 9 days), hundreds of texts.

Also emails asking her friend to buy her a "lacy camisole with panties to match" at Victoria's Secret and some of her favorite brand of perfume. This is an urgent mission which has to be completed by Friday (which is the night he is arriving).

She has told a series of lies - they did not meet, they met for coffee once, they met for dinner, they were making out a little in the car, they met twice, but they only had lunch the second time.

I knew from the wireless records (cell towers) that they met the first time in a resort town about 50 miles from our house, which her and I used to go to frequently for romantic weekends away. This was after asking friend to buy the "lacy camisole and panties" at Victoria's Secret. It was also the weekend she told me she was consoling her friend, the grieving widow.

I just came home yesterday evening (I'm up and can't sleep at 4 am due to time difference and this drama). I'm calm and tell her that I can forgive anything, but I want the truth. She tells me an utterly implausible story that they met, she was in his room and they were "petting" with hand/genital contact only, and she went home (drove 50 miles at night) then drove back to see him again the next day. Then it was that he went down on her, but he stopped her from going down on him because he's "honorable" and that there was no penetration. I get upset at the incredibility of this. Then she acknowledges that she slept though the night with him, but there was nothing more than what she said, she thought he had problems (she was Googling "impotence" and "prostrate problems" the Monday after the first weekend together.)

She admits they met again, after she came back from the UK, and she was again in his room "heavy petting" but no sex. In summary, he made her come by hand and mouth only, but she never helped him to come.

I also have reasons to believe, due to flight schedules and their pattern of communications, that they met two other times, which she denies. This guy easily has the money to have done this.

There was a NC email which was quickly broken, then I made a lot more drama on his end and perhaps now they are not in communication.

What bothers me the most is that she is trying to preserve her initial story that this guy was too "honorable" to have full sex with her (which I took as an implicit contrast with me in my cheating days). It also bothers me that she is trying to minimize what she did as much as she can, in order to preserve a moral advantage over me in future arguments.

I thought we could have it out and we could move on, but I am not buying her story. I am only home for a week. What to do?

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Old 05-18-2012, 04:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why isn't divorce an option? What she did was disgusting. Have you considered exposing her to the family? The only reason that they might not have had sex is the guy being impotent. Honorable my ass. And she is heavily minimizing what she did.


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She admits they met again, after she came back from the UK, and she was again in his room "heavy petting" but no sex. In summary, he made her come by hand and mouth only, but she never helped him to come.
Disgusting. Take your wife off the pedestal you put her own.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:59 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Why isn't divorce an option? What she did was disgusting. Have you considered exposing her to the family? The only reason that they might not have had sex is the guy being impotent. Honorable my ass. And she is heavily minimizing what she did.

Disgusting. Take your wife off the pedestal you put her own.
She is like Tommy Flanagan, "yeah, that's it . . ." So many lies, and manipulative ones at that "I was consoling a grieving friend.... [how dare you question me] "He's honorable . . . . [not like you, who would f-k a snake in a woodpile]

Still, I am fond enough of her to want to stay married. Plus, I cut her some slack because I played around like Bill Clinton back in the day and she forgave me (sort of).

The other option is divorce, liquidate and move far offshore.

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Old 05-18-2012, 06:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you stay married with no changes enjoy the rest of your life with looking over your shoulder.
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What is she offering? Does she want the marriage work? Long distance relationships are just part time relationships. It sounds like you weren't interested in taking care of businees until someone else wanted her.
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Now she tells me that she saw him get up in the morning after their night together - naked - with a hard-on.

She still maintains he said "we can wait." I said, if you're going to wait, you don't sleep naked in a bed with a woman. Only Gandhi did that as an exercise in self-denial, and there are doubts about him, too.

This would also contradict the impotence story - when I first asked her about the "impotence" and "prostate problem" Google searches, she said that was for an older lady friend who was talking about her elderly boyfriend. Now I'm not sure she wasn't telling the truth then.

To me, this is all laughable BS, except I'm not laughing.
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Have her write down all of the details and tell her you're going make her take a polygraph test.

Seems full of BS.
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Martin, sounds like the two of you are in an open marriage. To each their own.
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What is she offering? Does she want the marriage work? Long distance relationships are just part time relationships. It sounds like you weren't interested in taking care of businees until someone else wanted her.
Yes, my work has been a strain on the relationship. The work is interesting and pays very very well.

She has also benefited a lot from it in terms of our material condition, housing, money, etc. There have also been long and short breaks, but when this affair of hers started, I had been away for about two months. I also get tired of the conditions I am living under and this affects my mood.

Of course, would I want to quit and come home now to an uncertain marriage, or do I keep working overseas and adopt the full overseas-contractor lifestyle - with a home outside the USA and a younger concubine? No second marriage for me; I have no illusions about what a 25 year old Thai, Peruvian, Ethiopian, Ukrainian, or Uzbek would see in me and would guard myself accordingly. That is not to say that such relationships cannot provide some happiness.

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Have her write down all of the details and tell her you're going make her take a polygraph test.

Seems full of BS.
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I might just go for a poly, wonder if I can set one up quickly.

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Martin, sounds like the two of you are in an open marriage. To each their own.
Not at all; neither of us accept or condone the other's relationships, but in 34 years a lot of stuff happens.

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Martin, like Jimmy Carter, you have lust in your heart for other women. Let this one go, and enjoy having sex with your concubines.

You'll be doing yourself and your wife a great favor.
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Martin, like Jimmy Carter, you have lust in your heart for other women. Let this one go, and enjoy having sex with your concubines.

You'll be doing yourself and your wife a great favor.
I was being a bit arch, lighten up. I am sorry that I fail to realize that my musings would offend others' moral sense.

I do know a lot of guys who live that way now after their marriages collapsed, though.

I would prefer to stay with my wife and be faithful, came home with the intention of reconciling, but this story is too much BS for me to take. Especially the "he's honorable and said he could wait until we were divorced" part (even though he was naked in bed with me).
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If I were you, I would kick her out the next time I hear honorable from her mouth...What is honorable about pursuing a married woman and cheating with her while he himself is married. If he is honorable, what is she? She even offered to have sex with him. Your wife still idolizes him and considers their love that was never meant to be. Good luck with repairing the marriage. She somehow considers this payback for your own indiscretions. There is no love left here.

Have you exposed her to the family? Maybe that is why she is in for R.
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I was being a bit arch, lighten up. I am sorry that I fail to realize that my musings would offend others' moral sense.

I do know a lot of guys who live that way now after their marriages collapsed, though.

I would prefer to stay with my wife and be faithful, came home with the intention of reconciling, but this story is too much BS for me to take. Especially the "he's honorable and said he could wait until we were divorced" part (even though he was naked in bed with me).
Considering the kind of wife you have, this wouldn't be a very bad option
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Martin,

There is no honor in either your wife or the OM.

She had sex with him. doesn't matter if the OM went inside or not. She had sex with him. He had sex with her.

Her marriage vows have been completely trashed and she did it by choice. She even spent effort in arranging it, and preparing herself for him.

She continues to contact him and lie to you.

You need to expose him publically. I'd start with Cheaterville.com, and then if he has facebook, get on your wife's account and find all his contacts. Use her account to notify each of them about how honorable he is.

This isn't revenge - this is letting his actions and his honor be publicly displayed.

As for your wife - she continues to defend him over you - she continues to lie to you - she continues to use secret means to contact him.

The affair isn't over by anymeans, it is very much still active. They will be meeting up again at the very next opportunity.

I know you don't want to throw away your marriage, but realize that whatever you did in the past - you are no longer doing it. And that is the difference here. She is still actively in the affair. She has not chosen to stop, instead she has chosen to take it underground.

The minute she has a chance she will be meeting up with him. It might be for an afternoon, or a vacation. Either way, she is choosing him. You being home is only a bit of drama for her to live through, but she will find a way.

Kill the affair before you worry about R. Expose it. Expose her. I know you said before that her cultural background would prevent sex - but that failed. She had sex with him on multiple occasions - even she admits that.

So you need to stop thinking that this is somehow a special case because of culture or age. It's not. It's just another wife cheating.

So you need to follow the basic recipe for killing an affair.

Exposure - make it public to friends and family. Both for your wife and the OM

Cut off money - remove her ability to use family money to support the cheating

Monitor - keylogger on the PC, VAR in cars, GPS tracker on car.
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Shes in love with him. As long as she is, you two have no chance of reconciling.
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