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Old 06-07-2012, 11:04 AM   #61 (permalink)
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One night he came home and worked on his computer here at the house. I sat nearby and periodically read aloud excerpts from the book Not Just Friends as he sat there working (I'm sure he was loving that). I became fixated by that laptop. When he got up to go to the bathroom, I did a search for the AP's name. 55 hits popped up.
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how did you do this? i'm curious if i can do it too.
We have a PC, not a Mac. So someone else will have to tell you how to do it on a Mac. On a PC, you go to the lower left-hand corner, and click the Windows symbol (We have Windows 7.) Up will pop a menu, at the bottom of the menu is a search window. Type in what you want. Hope that was clear.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:29 AM   #62 (permalink)
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So, in case I wasn't clear, I was SHOCKED out of my mind at the idea that my H and his AP were in contact so soon after DD#1. That seems rather silly now, given what I understand about affairs, and emotional affairs at that.

But way back in February, I had somehow decided on my own that what had happened was, DD#1, then MC for 6+ months, then we ended it because we couldn't find a babysitter (and it wasn't really doing much for us...), and THEN he had reached out or she had fished or what have you.

Now I was looking at emails that were not "oh how I missed you emails"--they were emails that were clearly between two people who were already in communication. However they had reconnected, it had happened before April 2009. I'm guessing, by the way the emails are written, that they had been in contact for at least 3 weeks or more.

That pushed back breaking No Contact to around the time we started MC. I quizzed and quizzed my H about this issue, but because it happened 3 years ago (and he's already forgotten OTHER details that he's previously freely admitted to), he says it seemed like he went "a long time" without NC. So I'm guess "a long time" to someone in the fog of the affair is 2 to 4 weeks, max.

The full import of all this hit me. None of you will remember this (it's on page 2 of this thread) but back in July 2009, during MC, the AP had sent a fishing email (just smilie faces) to the secret email account. I had mentioned this to my H at the time. I also had discussed it once or twice since DD#2.

That could mean only one thing: since DD#2, he KNEW I didn't know they had been in contact between March 2009 and September 2009, THROUGHOUT MC. So not only had he betrayed me that way, he was still doing the old trickle truth.

At the time, it felt like DD#3. I just couldn't fathom that we had paid $$$ to a highly well-respected MC, for SIX MONTHS, and he had sat there right next to me on the couch pining away for HER. Unbelievable.

I wasn't angry. I was just too shocked. At the time it was MIND-BLOWING. I just kept saying over and over, almost in a catatonic state, you were together all through MC...you were together just weeks after I found out...

At that point my H turned (from where he was sitting on the couch) and got down on his knees. Tears came to his eyes and he started to beg. He finally begged for the marriage and begged for forgiveness and said he was sorry. He had said he was sorry before, but this was different. He knew I had a choice, to stay or go, and he knows me extremely well, that I've never, ever been afraid of walking away and that has never been a part of why I've stayed.

I told him again, I was willing to reconcile. Then he stood up, sat down next to me, and helped me send all the emails to our home computer for me to store, print out and save.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:57 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Sometimes I think it takes the WS alot to fully understand the depth of betrayal...I know since DD#2 my H has seen how much this has betrayed me almost worse since DD#1. I think it shocked him how what he thought in his words was just some "idle chitchat" that didn't mean anything to him, how much damage he caused to me. I honestly think that due to her being overseas with no possibility of seeing each other in person again, that he didn't realize the implications of what he was doing.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:02 PM   #64 (permalink)
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We have a PC, not a Mac. So someone else will have to tell you how to do it on a Mac. On a PC, you go to the lower left-hand corner, and click the Windows symbol (We have Windows 7.) Up will pop a menu, at the bottom of the menu is a search window. Type in what you want. Hope that was clear.
Cool, I never knew that you could do this! Thanks
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:03 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Oh, how I hate it when they fish, it can be something as simple as yours: smiley faces. And that's enough to reconnect and restart the affair. The WS immediately takes the bait, the AP reels them in, and then its back on.
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Oh, how I hate it when they fish, it can be something as simple as yours: smiley faces. And that's enough to reconnect and restart the affair. The WS immediately takes the bait, the AP reels them in, and then its back on.
Well here is what is so weird. And I still can't figure it out. By the time she sent that email, they had already been right back at it for at least 4 or 5 months. So I haven't been able to make heads or tails of that. Whether she was testing it to see if I was monitoring it? Or she did it mindlessly one day because they had used that method before? I still can't figure it out.

The most I got out of my FWH was that it was an "oops" moment for the two of them. He doesn't remember it quite like I do. We have MC tonight. I could just ask one last time what the deal was with that. But I doubt I'll get anything more.

As you know as well as anybody, nearly all WSs engage in trickle truth. They do it because they feel guilty and ashamed of what they've done. It is painful for them to face the immorality of their activities. It's unpleasant. They also don't like to see the loyal spouse in pain, but--this is just my view--that is secondary. Mostly it's about seeing the truth about themselves and bringing it to the light of day. So most WSs will try to keep back as much as they can, and the lie they tell themselves (because they've gotten VERY good at that) is that what you don't know won't hurt you.

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My FWH explained what happened. That he couldn't recall which of them sent the first fishing email. (Now he says it definitely was him ) She said she was doing fine. Then a week (read: a day or two ) went by and they exchanged another set of "are you ok" emails. Then not too long after that, they were back in communication, just like old times. My FWH claims we went to at least one MC appointment before they broke NC. I find this extremely difficult to believe and he concedes he can't remember. I asked him what it was like to sit in MC and LIE that the affair was over and he said he felt like sh*t. Whatever!

But here is my perspective on "DD#3" (I don't call it that any more). Which would I prefer--to have my H be in a strong fantasy / compulsion where despite WANTING to end NC, he wasn't able to resist it and went back to it within weeks? Or that he went through many months of MC, then said, the heck with that, and recontacted her THEN? I decided that the way I THOUGHT it had happened was even more hurtful than the way it actually unfolded.

And here is where CWI has helped so much. You get the perspective of what nearly all APs do. They are kicking up their heels in an affair (not meant literally...necessarily). They created this alternate universe they're in because they either don't want a divorce or they're too chicken sh*t to file. This is their coping mechanism, whether it's due to their damaged, broken selves or the depressing state of their marriage, or both. While they are still human beings with free will, and no one is holding a gun to their heads, most of them do not have the strength to walk away.

I had never brought any affair breaking methods to bear after DD#1. I never verified ANYTHING. I searched our computer thoroughly for any stray emails he had not deleted, but that was about it. Certainly I noticed his phone was attached to his hand, but he was careful not to contact her when I was around (and the phone records bear this out).

I had never exposed the affair to anyone. Part of this was that he had been her superior. I was very concerned that she would sue him, frankly. Or maybe lie to her husband about the situation and he'd sue for her, or something.

So there had been no outside pressures to bear, of the kind that break the fantasy. We all want our tears to be enough, but they simply are not. We should not be surprised by this; they KNOW they're doing something that will knock us flat if we were to find out. Our anger, sadness, and hurt are not enough of a disincentive to cut off their favorite escape from reality.
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:43 AM   #67 (permalink)
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thank you to highwood for making the request from iheartlife.

and to iheartlife, you are amazing! thank you for sharing. your resolve to protect what is yours is admirable. your FWH better recognize what a remarkable wife he has in you.

i can relate to so many things of what you say especially....how bad things were and the feeling that the current state of your marriage back then contributed to the affair.

in my case, i think i caught a budding EA and was able to nix it, but i still feel very betrayed. i don't have concrete evidence of any other indiscretions but because i gave my husband so much space and liberties that now all i can do is wonder about all the times he stayed out so late and came home so drunk.

one of these days i'll share mine, i'm just not ready. we are working through our issues are on the road to recovery, we see a MC but we haven't gone in about 3 weeks now. time to schedule another appointment for us.

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