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post #31 of 49 (permalink) Old 01-24-2013, 11:21 PM Thread Starter
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I know one thing and that is I am not a person who will ever be a dare devil or taking crazy chances, because I don't wanna go before God and have him say "welcome home son buuuuuut - you could've had 20 more years with your loved ones had you NOT skydived out of that plane".

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I know one thing and that is I am not a person who will ever be a dare devil or taking crazy chances, because I don't wanna go before God and have him say "welcome home son buuuuuut - you could've had 20 more years with your loved ones had you NOT skydived out of that plane".
I think like this as well, I would never attach myself to someone who engaged in risky daredevil behavior for FUN & kicks... I'd want to rip him from limb to limb, even if he ended up in a hospital bed... I see no humor or coolness in pushing our death risk higher than it otherwise would have been.

Skydiving is pretty safe though -if you know what you are doing- though I'd be the biggest chicken. Could never do it. Love a monster Roller coaster though, the bigger the better.


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Homemaker_Numero_Uno said: For me, I've stayed alive long enough to be okay with seeing death as the ultimate merging with the collective consciousness, evolving outside of the body. The one I've come to realizing I'm stuck in and in deep sh*t any number of times. To look at me you wouldn't even think I'd been nearly dead so many times.
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827Aug said: lol, the doctors and staff who were all gathered around my bed trying to keep me alive so we could run to the o.r.....

....The hospital basically told them they could do nothing more than try to keep me talking to them at that point. It didn't work--I still arrived at the hospital unconscious and unresponsive. What a long trip for them.
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Thor said: I've had two experiences of almost dying.

One time I was literally nose-to-nose and toe-to-toe with Evil itself. I said to him I am not letting you win today. By all accounts I should have been dead by then.

The second time was near drowning when I, my son 11 yrs old, and my 76 yr old father were caught in a rip current at the beach. We were whisked out into deep water in a flash. My son was not much of a swimmer and I had to keep him up. I spent a lot of time underwater. During one of those extended underwater periods it struck me that my only goal was to save my son, and my survival had become totally irrelevant.

During both events a calm acceptance came over me. Death was likely very close, but it was not
Any "out of Body" experiences with these ??

Years ago, I read a few books written by those who claimed they died & came back..... they all had these similar stories, I am such a pathetic skeptic though... I just don't know what to believe.

I remember watching Flatliners: Kiefer Sutherland, Kevin Bacon, Julia Roberts about these young Doctors pushing their fate on the operating table at night - to experience dying & being brought back.

Interesting movie, I have to wonder if real death will play something like that .
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Any "out of Body" experiences with these ??

Years ago, I read a few books written by those who claimed they died & came back..... they all had these similar stories, I am such a pathetic skeptic though... I just don't know what to believe.

I remember watching Flatliners: Kiefer Sutherland, Kevin Bacon, Julia Roberts about these young Doctors pushing their fate on the operating table at night - to experience dying & being brought back.

Interesting movie, I have to wonder if real death will play something like that .
No, I never lost consciousness with those events. So no out of body experiences.

The first event is a little difficult to explain in writing but I did experience the presence of what is best described as a Grim Reaper or Dark Horseman. I know he wasn't physically manifested but I did clearly see him. Very weird!

The second event was the near drowning where I realized that death was quite likely, yet there was no fear or concern about it. There was a clear calm recognition that my death would be irrelevant. There was only one important issue which was getting my son to safety. The early moments of the situation were definitely anxiety provoking. The survival instinct kicked in and there was a fear driving me to fight. But once I accepted the likely outcome being death everything changed.
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The first event is a little difficult to explain in writing but I did experience the presence of what is best described as a Grim Reaper or Dark Horseman. I know he wasn't physically manifested but I did clearly see him. Very weird!
Do you owe any spiritual connotation to WHY you might have experienced this? Did this influence how you lived your life afterwards? I've read stories like this also...and Gosh, I just don't know what to think !

Your 2nd story is more the norm... feeling a peace... even if it would have been the end...all for the love of our children.

As a young child... I almost drown, I was 5 ish... my Aunt was supposed to be watching me in a large public lake... I guess my mother was standing at the very top of a huge Sliding board -getting ready to go down...and something spoke to her to LOOK FOR ME... she listened...and saw me going under (my aunt was a lousy baby sitter checking out the boys)... ..My Mother screamed my name at the top of her lungs and the life guards pulled me out... I remember not being able to breath, chocking up water, they took me in the back... gasping for air... I never lost consciousness though.

But it's kinda freaky... like GOD was watching over me... as she swears something SPOKE to her to look for me at that very moment. This stuff is very fascinating.

Do we have an appointed time...I don't know.
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A good book I have read about a real life experience is "Heaven Is For Real" by Todd Burpo. It's very interesting and it's a rather short read.

"I'm significant!! Screamed the dust speck." - Bill Watterson

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A good book I have read about a real life experience is "Heaven Is For Real" by Todd Burpo. It's very interesting and it's a rather short read.
My Goodness, I just looked that up, I don't think I have EVER seen a book on Amazon with THAT many star reviews... darn well almost 4,000!!

Heaven is for Real: A Little Boy's Astounding Story of His Trip to Heaven and Back: Todd Burpo, Books

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A young boy emerges from life-saving surgery with remarkable stories of his visit to heaven.

Heaven Is for Real is the true story of the four-year old son of a small town Nebraska pastor who during emergency surgery slips from consciousness and enters heaven. He survives and begins talking about being able to look down and see the doctor operating and his dad praying in the waiting room. The family didn't know what to believe but soon the evidence was clear.

Colton said he met his miscarried sister, whom no one had told him about, and his great grandfather who died 30 years before Colton was born, then shared impossible-to-know details about each. He describes the horse that only Jesus could ride, about how "reaaally big" God and his chair are, and how the Holy Spirit "shoots down power" from heaven to help us.



Burpo, a Wesleyan pastor in rural Nebraska, recounts the story of his son's mystic vision of heaven while the youngster was suffering from a near-fatal illness in the spring of 2003. Through the course of the work, Burpo recalls conversations he had with his son about what heaven was like. Christians will be encouraged, non-Christians not at all.

This work is written in a plain, conversational style that Dean Gallagher narrates with great skill. Gallagher reads at a pace that is never hurried, even when recalling stressful incidents. He is expressive, but never melodramatic, throughout the production--especially when relating the anguish Burpo and his wife felt at nearly losing their child.
This is going to sound bad, but beings his Dad is a Wesleyan Pastor... I think he could have put his own "spin" on some of these things. I don't know.... but I AM interested in reading this book.. A used copy is just $1.40 + shipping.

for the mention 2ntnuf !
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*And for those who don't believe in the afterlife or in moving on just disregard this thread, because all you have to ever worry about is keeping alive here because after that you got - nothing*
When my body stops working, I will have my family burn it, and I will live on through my children, the way humans have always done.

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Do you owe any spiritual connotation to WHY you might have experienced this? Did this influence how you lived your life afterwards? I've read stories like this also...and Gosh, I just don't know what to think !
I am an Atheist so I don't ascribe any higher power to what I experienced. The image I saw was very much like the Dark Horseman in drawings from past centuries, and also much like typical devil appearance in drawings with little horns or really they were little black batman like bumps on the skull.

I have had some ghost experiences in the past, including my grandfather visiting me after he died but before anyone told me, to let me know he was ok now. And another was a malevolent presence in a home we owned which was experienced by the family and many who visited.

I don't believe in a God as a powerful being who created the universe or controls what happens, nor do I believe in a powerful Devil entity. But there may be some kind of spirit dimension out there. Or it might all just be weird brain signals which amount to imagination and hallucinations. I believe the images people have drawn of the devil or other similar characters is based on experiences people had like mine and represent what they saw. Is it based on a real entity or is it an artifact of our brains when in that kind of situation? Idk.

When I saw the Horseman/Reaper/Devil it did not change my life but the nearly getting killed definitely did. Every day since July 2, 1998 has been a day I should not be here.
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This would be a great topic of discussion in the political and religious thread.

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How weird, I stumbled across this thread after having a dream that I was dead last night actually..and met God..I have had moments where I just wanted to die and go to heaven but it passes. When I die I want to donate any and every organ I can..Why don't people wanna do that and save a life? Your body is already dead. You won't feel them cutting your body apart.
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How weird, I stumbled across this thread after having a dream that I was dead last night actually..and met God..I have had moments where I just wanted to die and go to heaven but it passes. When I die I want to donate any and every organ I can..Why don't people wanna do that and save a life? Your body is already dead. You won't feel them cutting your body apart.
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Signed up as an organ donor when I was 25 yrs old and still have it on my license today at almost 47 yrs old.

And as far as some of the books written about near death experiences I have read a few excerpts here and there, but let's just say I am very very skeptical of some of the things people reportedly saw and heard, and feel like that just mayyybe some of it was the hardcore pain meds involved causing them weird dreams.
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I agree, I read a book called 7 Minutes In Heaven and well yeah I'd like to believe it's that way but the problem is..the bible states that you are dead ans in dead totally dead untill Jesus comes back and the bodies from the grave rise first.
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I've always been afraid of death because the church told me that I would be going to hell because I'm not perfect. I started reading books about Near Death Experiences when I was in my 20s, after my grandfather passed away. Most of them were flowery and left me with the feeling that they were more fiction than fact.

One did stick with me. It's called Blessings in Disguise, by Barbara Rommer. This book covers both positive and negative NDEs.
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I agree, I read a book called 7 Minutes In Heaven and well yeah I'd like to believe it's that way but the problem is..the bible states that you are dead ans in dead totally dead untill Jesus comes back and the bodies from the grave rise first.
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I agree in that "judgement day" has yet to take place for every living and dead soul if you follow scriptures; so in the mean time we are all here living and doing our thing, and the dead in my opinion are just hanging around a type of purgatory waiting room reviewing their own lives with others who are familiar to them. And nothing awesome or terrible has happened to anyone in the afterlife yet in my own personal opinion.
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I'm not afraid of death. I flat-lined during one of my surgeries years ago(unforeseen complication, lost a lot of blood) and my family was told I would not make it, but I pulled through. It made me take a real look at my life and changed around my priorities even more than I already had done so. I've experienced a lot in life and I don't have any regrets. I would never choose to do risky behavior or anything that could cause death to come sooner, but if it is my time to go, then it is my time.


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Most people do not understand what it's truly like to live in severe physical pain 24/7 every second of the day unless they live it themselves. I do not talk about it at home since its been going on for years and people get tired of hearing it. I do not have a support group anymore with others in my own shoes. Even people on here get sick of me talking about pain and daily life. However, I need an outlet. I do need to talk about it once in a while. I need to talk about my accomplishments since I work very hard at them.
Can I ask what happened to your support group?

I am a medical 'disaster' myself and have somewhat talked about it on here, in which I know dealing with it all can be isolating. I dealt with 24/7 pain for 5 months before having surgery that fixed my problem. I have never met anyone else with my condition in person because it is so rare, but have found some people with it online that I can talk to. This small group of us who share the condition are an amazing source of support for me, especially when I have down days and I'm struggling with it. There are a lot of support networks online for all different medical conditions and they are a great resource.
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