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Old 05-12-2008, 12:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,

I have a problem and need some advice.
I have been divorced for ten years. I am the non-custodial father of two daughters ages 20 and 23
My oldest is graduating college next weekend.
I live outside their home state and have for ten years.
I have been welcomed by their mother and her family for both girls high school graduations and after parties at their cottage.
Both HS graduations, my significant other (Laura) was invited and went and all seemed to have fun without undue stress or discomfort.
My ex and her mother are planning nuts and have the entire graduation week/weekend planned for my daughter.
There is a dinner planned on the Saturday evening before her graduation (my SO and I are staying at the dorms as part of the parent accomodation.
My daughter called and asked my specific arrival time as her mother had made the dinner reservation to include me and she wanted to know if I would be going to the dinner else she wanted to get some of her deposit back
Long/short they did not make a dinner reservation for my significant other. When I asked my daughter to inquire about adding a seat at the table she balked and offerred to have a friend go in my place if I didn't want to attend without Laura.
I am full of guilt and rarely see my children now that they are older. In fact I have not seen my oldest daughter since last June when her sister graduated high school (and then only briefly).
Out of guilt, I called my daughter and said that I would have Laura entertain herself and I would attend the dinner.
In hindsight, I am torn. It will be the only opportunity to see my daughters outside of the formal graduation ceremony.
I do not want to offend or slight my partner
I told her (partner) about my dilemma and she seemed sure they could add her to the reservation. When I told her my daughter seemed reluctant, she made a joke and we did not continue the conversation.
Do I take my lover out to dinner in a strange town and ignore my children or, do I snub my lover and see my girls as it is a rare and fleeting opportunity?
Thanks for any input one might have.
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Old 05-12-2008, 03:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think because you don't see your daughters very often and this is a significant time in her life (great she is graduating college!) that you should try to be there for her. It does seem odd/immature that they/she is not being more accommodating to your partner, but if your partner is more of an understanding person, I would explain how while you are not happy with them not extending an invitation to her that this trip is really about your daughter and it's important for you to be able to spend with her in the little time you have there. See how she feels about it--if she can be understanding, I'd go ahead with the dinner. It almost sounds as if your daughter is forcing you to choose between your partner and her...that part is still bugging me but my response is thinking more toward your relationship with your daughters going forward.
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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my response is thinking more toward your relationship with your daughters going forward.
Thanks very much Swedish.
In my heart I agree 100%. In fact, hearing(seeing) you say it may have been what I needed.
In fact it feel like a silly question now in that there really should be no doubt in my mind. It's my daughter and she is graduating and its two hours.
Trouble is, my partner is not that understanding and wants to write it off as kids being inconsiderate. She suggested we arrange to meet her after dinner for a "more intimate" gathering vs me going to dinner without her.
You see one minute it seems easy cause she and I have had some issues recently and therefore my devotion is to my daughter.
Yet, we are riding in the car 8+ hours each way and I hate to leave her sitting in a room for 2 hours while I am out with my daughter.
Her idea isn't bad but it's my daughter's weekend and her favorite restaurant etc
oh fudge. Thanks very much for your thoughts and comments.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Here's what would work if I were in your partner's shoes...if you scheduled a massage at a spa during the 2 hours you'll be busy with your daughter's dinner....ahhhh, take your time honey, I'm fine here
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I like the spa idea myself. I would hope your SO understands that this is your daughter graduation too. You should have her read your post on how thoughtful and torn you are. You guys are the bigger people if you can walk through this with your heads held high. You daughter will probably repect the fact that you did this for her, not to cause a problem, and let your ex look immature. Best of luck! Spa good, also a romantic evening before or after the trip with your SO wouldn't be a bad idea. In fact something special before and after would make both you guys feel connected.
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Old 05-14-2008, 09:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thank very much for your comments and input.
The spa thing is neat but I do not know the area, it is quite rural and see below regarding accomodations.
My SO and I talked last night a bit
I expressed the stress I felt over the situation
She made light of it again and said,"I will relax in the tub for an hour and read."
I explained again that there were no hotels/motels in the area as they were all full last October
I opted for the only thing available for parents/family which was a room in the dormitory (with two single beds lol)
I explained that I doubted there would be a private bathroom and not sure but maybe only showers.
so she says, I will watch TV and I say, Hun, there are likely no TV's in the dorm rooms as students usually supply their own, etc.
She says. do you want me to go?
I say Yes.
I say, I'm getting to the point I do not want to go.
And then: subject dropped although there was a bit of discussion from me on the lack of "intimacy" at such a dinner and how different a sit down dinner with the ex and ALL (12) of her family will be from my past two experiences....graduation parties held in and outside of a camp on a lake where I was able to mingle with my daughters outside with my SO and sisters. Polite and involved yet still seperate.
Sitting at a dinner table for 1-2 hours will not only be very deja vu like, it is likely to be much more uncomfy for all.
My paranoia surfaces.
Seems I continue to teeter on the idea of arranging an after dinner rendevous with my daughter and her fiance' as opposed to or in addtion to The Dinner.
Struggling here...knowing me I will likely bear the dinner as best I can and ask my daughter to meet my SO and I at some locale after dinner.

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Old 05-14-2008, 05:14 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yes you can always do a dinner for just the 4 of you. You should do a search of the things to do in the small town you are going to. It has a college with dormatories so it is bigger than the town I grew up in. Any bed and breakfast there. Google the town and find out. Anyway, I still like the idea of doing something special with your SO before and/or after. If you are going to be totally uncomfortable with the ex and her family then you should see if you could do the nice quiet breakfast or lunch with your daughter and her fiance'. I'd bring my laptop to the dormatory if I was the SO and do my own thing. I am sure you SO understand that your ex is being controlling and this whole situation is because of your love for you daughter. Even I get it Don't beat yourself up for this one weekend of what is supposed to be very important to your daughter.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:46 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks Happily & Swedish... your words mean alot to me.

I am feeling better about things though that is because i've decided to take it as it comes. You suggesting that my SO understands is spot on.

Ironing out details and picking up the rental car this morning.

Thanks again. if only FYI I will post back how it went!!

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Please do Screwauger. I can read the pride in your writing. Enjoy each and every moment with your daughter. Have a beautiful weekend.
Give your SO lots of hugs and kisses.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It was a Disaster.
My SO and I have not spoken a word to one another since 10:00am yesterday. Nine hours in the car riding home and nothing but cold shoulder.
It started wonderfully. We both decided to take Friday afternoon off and leave early taking the scenic route and finding a nice place to have dinner.
We did that, totally enjoyed the scenery driving through New Hampshire and Vermont.
Found a seedy motel and had a sexy evening and in the morning the room next door pounded on the wall as we were making love and disturbed them.
Then we got to the college at about Noon on Saturaday
I met up with my daughter to get my room keys and she confirmed (again) that there was not a dinner reservation for my SO. This upset me because rightly or wrongly, I expected someone to feel embarrassed or obligated to somehow include her.
We got into a big argument, my SO and I because I said I was reluctant to go without her and that I wasn't raised to bring someone 600 miles to sit a bare room while I partied.
She said this was unfair to her and I should be directing my upset and anger at my ex-wife and daughter.
She made a couple of snide remarks about me needing to realize that I was not on this trip alone even tho they all seemed to think I was.
This made me feel as if she (my SO) was expecting me to a) make a stand with my ex and have it out or b) avoid the confronation with the ex and just not go to the dinner.
Her primary source of anger and it was justified was this: We made the decision for her NOT to go to dinner before we left. She said it put her in an awful position to now have to re-confirm it or tell me it was "ok" and deep down I knew she was right. It was about me and I wanted her to say something that would convince me that she would not be upset or hurt if I went. She said I would have to figure it out and there was turbulent air for several hours while I waivered between going and not going to the dinner and between staying at the dorm (completely bare room bathroom two floors down) or renting her better accomadations.
I went to the dinner and truthfully, I was crammed onto a corner of a square table and there would have been no place for her to sit.
Both daughters and the entire family invited us back to their hotel to "party" and swim in the hottub. I tried to leave it open by saying to my daughter, I will call you if I am coming over. She wouldn't take no for an answer and got me to agree that I would come and bring Laura.
Laura was not warm to the idea and stated (and I didn't blame her) if they couldn't include me in the dinner then I am not real interested in going over to their Hotel, "no."
I understood and phoned my daughter a couple hours later and made an excuse of being tired.
Mind you, through all of this I feel torn completely and as much as I did not want to cowtow to my ex-wifes managing the minutia, I wanted to go over to keep my word and to have a drink with my daughter. I didn't and proceeded to feel like a rotten father and a lousey partner and I went for a walk alone and cried and felt sorry for myself and for my daughter(s).
My SO was asleep (in her single bed) when I returned and I sat in the dark for several hours and then fell asleep.
In the a.m., things seemed good. Went for coffee and then got dressed for the graduation. Wewalked to the breakfast on campus then walked around campus watching all the seniors running to their respective locations and finally wandered over to where the seating was.
I expressed several times that I had reserved seats (that my ex told me about making a point to tall me that she reserved seats for me and SO).
My partner made a couple of statement about the ceremony starting at 10 but that the proscession of graduates would not begin until 1030. Each time and rebuffed her comments by saying it would be my expectation to be sitting at 10 and to watch the grads file in (not rush to my seat after they had come in.
It began to rain five minutes before the grads started to march in.

She insisted we look at some flowers planted near the rear of the grounds and I agreed with reservation. As it was, the music started and the grads started their march and I was not in my seat nor did I know where that was. 5000 people mind you.
I started asking people who appeared to be working there and got the run around about reserved seats.
When someone finally directed me, I tried to urge her on to follow me and she walked up to another attendant and asked about reserve seats, admittedly, I barked at her that I just spoke to that man and knew what he had to say and would she please follow me. She stopped and started a sort of tantrum stating I had no reason to yell at her.
She became flippant and said, go sit where you want and stood in one place.
I felt torn again and asked/begged her to please come and sit down with me. I shouldn't have said it but I said don't you want to see my daughter graduate and she flipped out, asked for the room key and started raising her voice and telling me that I was putting her in a terrible position. I said I was going to miss out seeing my daughter walk in and she said I should have said I wanted to sit down earlier. When I tried to say that she knew full well I wanted to sit 30 minutes ago she stormed off through the crowd.
In a panic and unable to locate any seating I took up position by the grads walking in (over 700) and tried to see my daughter. All I wanted to do was go away from the crown and sob at how foolish I was.
After the grads were seated I saw my younger daughter waving to me from the reserved seats. They had saved two seats and I proceeded to enjoy the graduation (probably moreso than I would have if my partner had to also squeeze into the row and sit with my ex's family. Mind you it sprinkled and poured for two hours and despite ample free poncho's everyone was soaked to the core and freezing by the conclusion.
I found an opportunity to see and hug my daughter and made excuses for why I wouldn't be coming to the brunch they had planned for after (long drive sweetie). Feeling like a terrible father and a lousey partner I walked back to the dorm room.
Upon enetering she said, are you ready to go and I said yes and things were placed in the car and we drove home.
No words upon arrival home
I go tup this morning and left early planning to passively aggresively take the rental car back without assistance from my SO. The airport is five miles away and she had planned to follow me oiver and lift me back home
Shortly after arriving home (she was gone to work) my cell phone rang and she wanted to know if I needed a ride.
I said no, I thought I had burdened her enough with my needs for one weekend and figured I was resourceful enough to take care of my own responmsibilities regarding the rental car.
There was a long pause and then she said, It was all very hard and she believed she handled it all wrong and she didn't know what to say or how to talk about it.
I replied that I did not want to talk about it on the ride and although I felt we needed to talk I was also convinced that we had damaged our relationship.
She said she was not sure why I was so angry or if I was angry and I did not respond.
I said I hoped she had a grood day, thanks for calling to see if I needed a ride. She said she might leave work early and I said well, I will see you at home then. She said she loved me and I can count on two hands the number of times she has said that in 18 months. I said I love you too, bye.

Mind you, I am divorced and in the final divorce proceedings the judge made the following comment, "thank you for finding a way to compromise. I have been doing this a long time and I never loose sight of the fact that there are three sides to every story, yours, hers and the truth."

Sorry so long.

It was a mistake to ever take her. Perhaps I caused the situation on Saturday by becoming angry with my daughter/ex and somehow channeling it onto my partner (she said I did this). I feel now that my Partner went along holding onto some resentment about the dinner arrangements and decided or chose to be less than congenial and cooperative as a result. Any attempt on my part to say I was misinterpreting her non-verbal cues resulted in a backlash at me.
I am guilty of tremendous parental guilt and of becoming completely compliant, maleable and non-assertive when I see my daughters because I feel guilty and I am thankful for any contact I can have. My partner feels I should be proud to be their father, stand up for the fact I have rights and to advocate and not be so agreeable and "lilly-livered" about what I feel is right.
She is right in some respect.
On the other hand, she doesn't seem to have my back. She doesn't seem to care that I struggle in this area and is not supportive.
Enough already fes.
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I think your SO should get over her resentment. It was for your daughter!!! PERIOD. We do things with EX's that we would never do. EX's love to inflict pain on the significant other. You SO has to realize this. She has no idea how much pain she caused between a father and daughter all at your ex's doing. Your ex won what she intended on doing. That is all I can say. I hope that you guys can work through this. I know how difficult it is to be around my husband's ex. I try not to let her bother me, but she just drives me insane. I hope you can talk to her when things settle and I hope she also sees what problems arouse from your ex getting the better of both of you. Good luck. Keep us posted.
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I'm sorry to hear your weekend did not turn out so well. It sounds like you are so wanting to please everyone and in the end none of them are pleased. I've been there myself.

I would suggest thinking of a plan on how you intend to handle your daughters' events going forward (other graduations, a wedding some day) and stick to the plan without letting guilt get in the way.

I think by flip-flopping your emotions between your daughter and SO it's having the opposite affect that you want (you are torn because you love them both but they see you putting one as more important than the other)

It may come down to telling your SO you are sorry to have involved her as your ex was being less than accommodating and next time won't have her endure that since you have no control over what your ex has planned. Or decide ahead of time that you and your SO will plan any future encounters with them...take charge of the situation that you have control over...I will walk you down the aisle with my SO in the pew, but we will not attend the reception following unless we are both on the invite.

Once you decide don't let their negative emotions break you down...you can feel bad for them but stick to your guns because while you love them very much you can't make everyone happy all of the time.
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I have to say that your SO did her best not become resentful of the way she was treated... can i ask.. did your EX bring her new man if she has one?
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