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post #16 of 35 (permalink) Old 06-26-2016, 06:31 AM
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Yes as long as no fraud is committed.

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Is that legal, pretending to be another legally adult person?
When I did it, my step daughter was 15/16. I would do anything to protect my child from a sexual predator. Don't care if it's legal or not.


But, when it comes the question if it is legal to pretend to be another adult person? It depends on where you are doing the pretending.


If I walk into a bank and pretend to be another person, show them ID, take out a loan, etc. No, that's fraud.

If I go to on internet forum and pretend to be someone else... there is no law against that.

If I go on a scam dating site and pretend I'm my elderly sister (or mother) who is being scammed by an internet dating fraud... there is no law against that.
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Yes as long as no fraud is committed.
Yep, that's the sort answer.. I'm not good at short answers.
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Chapter 8. False Personation and Cheats - California Penal Code Section 528.5 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

528.5.
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who knowingly and without consent credibly impersonates another actual person through or on an Internet Web site or by other electronic means for purposes of harming, intimidating, threatening, or defrauding another person is guilty of a public offense punishable pursuant to subdivision

(b) For purposes of this section, an impersonation is credible if another person would reasonably believe, or did reasonably believe, that the defendant was or is the person who was impersonated.

(c) For purposes of this section, "electronic means" shall include opening an e-mail account or an account or profile on a social networking Internet Web site in another person's name.

(d) A violation of subdivision (a) is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and
imprisonment.

(e) In addition to any other civil remedy available, a person who suffers damage or loss by reason of a violation of subdivision
(a) may bring a civil action against the violator for compensatory
damages and injunctive relief or other equitable relief pursuant to
paragraphs (1), (2), (4), and (5) of subdivision (e) and subdivision (g) of Section 502.

(f) This section shall not preclude prosecution under any other law.


If he does this without the consent of his mother then this is IMHO a violation of the law.
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Chapter 8. False Personation and Cheats - California Penal Code Section 528.5 - California Attorney Resources - California Laws

528.5.
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person who knowingly and without consent credibly impersonates another actual person through or on an Internet Web site or by other electronic means for purposes of harming, intimidating, threatening, or defrauding another person is guilty of a public offense punishable pursuant to subdivision

(b) For purposes of this section, an impersonation is credible if another person would reasonably believe, or did reasonably believe, that the defendant was or is the person who was impersonated.

(c) For purposes of this section, "electronic means" shall include opening an e-mail account or an account or profile on a social networking Internet Web site in another person's name.

(d) A violation of subdivision (a) is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and
imprisonment.

(e) In addition to any other civil remedy available, a person who suffers damage or loss by reason of a violation of subdivision
(a) may bring a civil action against the violator for compensatory
damages and injunctive relief or other equitable relief pursuant to
paragraphs (1), (2), (4), and (5) of subdivision (e) and subdivision (g) of Section 502.

(f) This section shall not preclude prosecution under any other law.

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If he does this without the consent of his mother then this is IMHO a violation of the law.
Your interpretation is incorrect. Clause (a) is the primary governing clause, with clauses (b-f) as clarifications/definitions of the terms used in (a).

Even if it was technically illegal, which it is NOT, it is extremely unlikely that under the circumstances any district attorney would prosecute, especially if the "victim" was undertaking a scam to defraud an elderly citizen.

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Scammer Update.

My brother I think finally talked a little sense into her. He was in the military and he informed her there are no U.S troops in Syria, the pics that were sent were of a second lieutenant based on the uniform (not sargeant as he claimed), and he sent her on article on scamming. God, I love my brother!! I swear he could say the same thing and she would listen to him over me, but I don't care. She would probably give him power of attorney too. He is already in charge of the cell phone account, Which is cool with me. I really don't want the headache.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I'm like you @EleGirl if you mess with my friends and family I'm your worst freaking nightmare!! lol My other brother has hacked her email account and sent the other scammer a no contact letter saying she met someone and then blocked his email. I don't think they had traded numbers yet.

One battle down, but sadly I'm afraid there will be more. She's only looking for dudes 10-15 years younger. Gross!! )
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Perhaps you can accompany her to her family physician and let them know what has been going on. Maybe antidepressants could help her after her loss. Good luck.
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Perhaps you can accompany her to her family physician and let them know what has been going on. Maybe antidepressants could help her after her loss. Good luck.
That's the thing. She's not really grieving all that much. She's been on antidepressants my entire life with a few stays in the psych hospital. She's never been well. She always told me she would kill herself if he died before her, and in reality she was trolling for dudes a month after he died. I don't think she is capable of being alone or having a real emotional connection with another person. That's why she falls for this crap. She blathers on about herself, and they tell her how great she is while revealing nothing about them selves. She might be nuts but she's the only parent I have now.
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I'm glad that your brother's stepped in. Maybe they need to monitor her email and phone usage.

Would she by any chance let your brother handle her finances? It's hard to scam someone who has no real access to money.

When my mom got older she was horrible with money. She was giving money away like candy to anyone who cried on her shoulder. So my sisters and I look control of her money. One of my sisters took over the bank account, paid all her bills, etc. I handled giving her cash for grocery shopping and anything else she wanted to buy. But we put her on a budget.

She did sign a general power of attorney giving my sister the legal right to pay her bills, and manage her accounts. Although she put up a fuss at first, I think she liked that we were taking care of her. And I think she liked that she was no longer an easy mark for anyone who cried for to for money.
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That's the thing. She's not really grieving all that much. She's been on antidepressants my entire life with a few stays in the psych hospital. She's never been well. She always told me she would kill herself if he died before her, and in reality she was trolling for dudes a month after he died. I don't think she is capable of being alone or having a real emotional connection with another person. That's why she falls for this crap. She blathers on about herself, and they tell her how great she is while revealing nothing about them selves. She might be nuts but she's the only parent I have now.
File a complaint with the FTC. Follow it up.... you would be amazed what that can do.

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That's a good idea @Chuck71. Thanks for jumping in too. I know you have your own set of Mama drama. I had a really good talk with a friend who also has a crazy Mom. She gave me some much needed perspective. Her mom brought her second husband as a date to her fourth husband's funeral. (You can't make this stuff up!!) I realized that is what crazy people do. My mom waiting a whole month to send crotch pics to strangers on the internet is like ten years in crazy people time!! I just need to back away. I think she's talking to real dudes now. Either way, I have no control over her. I just need to protect myself with a lot of distance. I unfriended her on Facebook, which is harsh but I promise she will not figure it out. (Not tech savvy at all)
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That's a good idea @Chuck71. Thanks for jumping in too. I know you have your own set of Mama drama. I had a really good talk with a friend who also has a crazy Mom. She gave me some much needed perspective. Her mom brought her second husband as a date to her fourth husband's funeral. (You can't make this stuff up!!) I realized that is what crazy people do. My mom waiting a whole month to send crotch pics to strangers on the internet is like ten years in crazy people time!! I just need to back away. I think she's talking to real dudes now. Either way, I have no control over her. I just need to protect myself with a lot of distance. I unfriended her on Facebook, which is harsh but I promise she will not figure it out. (Not tech savvy at all)
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Oh yeah.... on the Mama drama LOL. I'll try and update my C III thread soon about her and a few others.

There comes a point where the more caring you give, the more they fight it. In my case, she was not

wanting to give up her independence.... I get that. It is a blow to her ego she now has to depend

upon a person she raised. It's the lowest of the low blows... to them.

Late last year when mom was in her angry stretch... she acted as if she was going to hit / slap me.

"Do that if you must but I will call 911 and have you sent to jail..... try me."

Here.... you can talk to the cops and if you just want them in for say.... eight hours and it's a "soft family

issue" they usually do that. It would set a precedent of not taking her BS and.... she is a two pack

a day smoker. Eight hours without a ciggy... yeah she'd think twice after that.

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First, if you believe there is a scam, there likely is. These people are remorseless, money requested will get larger and larger, and police do very very little. We're sorry that your mother lost her life savings, but Officer Smith is assigned to parking control and checking for expired registrations. You need to be very gentle though, ignorant and inexperienced people do not like to be told the truth.
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That's the thing. She's not really grieving all that much. She's been on antidepressants my entire life with a few stays in the psych hospital. She's never been well. She always told me she would kill herself if he died before her, and in reality she was trolling for dudes a month after he died. I don't think she is capable of being alone or having a real emotional connection with another person. That's why she falls for this crap. She blathers on about herself, and they tell her how great she is while revealing nothing about them selves. She might be nuts but she's the only parent I have now.
Is there some sort of home care service where you could hire someone to come by a few times a week to help her out at home? Maybe she just needs companionship, and is seeking it on the internet because she doesn't have any friends or anyone else in her life?

Would she get involved with clubs and volunteer activities? My fiance's mom is very active in her church, volunteering at a resale shop, and driving other little old ladies to their doctor's appointments and whatnot since she is still in great shape to do so. Maybe keeping her busy with real people in her life would minimize the time she spends seeking connections to others on the internet?

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Well, she really never has had any friends ever. Especially not female friends. She has four kids, but that's about it. This is nothing new. She needs to be looking for a job. My father didn't leave her anything, and I don't really know how she is supporting herself. She talks of selling her house, but has made no effort in that direction. She does better when she's working.
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