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post #121 of 143 (permalink) Old 01-11-2017, 01:00 PM
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I can guarantee you that dogs are unpredictable. There are numerous examples of the "protective family dog" turning on a family member, quite often a small child.

So please, don't go around saying anything to the contrary because it's reckless, unsubstantiated and just plain wrong.

Here's some required reading for you @Yeswecan

Why dogs bite children

Help the dog bit my baby
Did you read it? The article address both sides. Child and dog training. I'm not peddling anything.


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I can guarantee you the family dog will guard that child. Understand dogs see us two leggers as one of the pack. The kids becomes the pack. As far as germs, really, grandma will have more germs than the dog. Protection of the home and family, you betcha the dog will be the alert one when being alert is needed. ADT and other security systems are great. A security system that has teeth and barks is one of the best IMO.
Sometimes. My parents had a dog when I was born that resented and snapped at me. Before that she'd been a nice dog.

They gave her to an older couple with no kids at home.

After that they got another dog who was great with kids.....big German Shepherd.

You can never know for sure until the baby's there.
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Did you read it? The article address both sides. Child and dog training.
I read all of them.

It's clear from every article that dogs can be unpredictable, especially around children who can be just as unpredictable.

Summary: The family dog can be a real danger to anyone especially a child.
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I read all of them.

It's clear from every article that dogs can be unpredictable, especially around children who can be just as unpredictable.

Summary: The family dog can be a real danger to anyone especially a child.
As a homeowners insurance actuary I can tell you that we see dog bite claims come through all the time, and most of the time it's the dog's first bite.

Nobody thinks their dog bites until they do.

If they have teeth they can bite. You just have to weigh the potential consequences.

For adults and older children? Minimal risk.

For young children and babies? Potentially disastrous.
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I read all of them.

It's clear from every article that dogs can be unpredictable, especially around children who can be just as unpredictable.

Summary: The family dog can be a real danger to anyone especially a child.
And a dog can be in real danger around a dog. It is a two way street.

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And a dog can be in real danger around a dog. It is a two way street.
I'm not even beginning to understand what you're trying to say here.
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If we insist on finding articles let me post one:

Interactions between Children and Dogs

Educating the parent and having them understand a dogs behavior as well as educating the child play a large part in a good child/dog relationship.

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I'm not even beginning to understand what you're trying to say here.
Meant to say a child can be a real danger to a dog.

It is perfectly clear that you have a problem with dogs and kids. So be it. Dog and children are unpredictable that is what the article points out. I get it. What you did not point out is educating parents as well as the child is the one best means for a good child/pet relationship.

If a parent is introducing an aggressive or seemingly unpredictable dog to a child perhaps they should not be a parent or stick with a goldfish.


The OP should keep the dog and be educated concerning dog behavior as well as the childs behavior. His W appears to simply squash the worry by getting rid of the dog. Does that seem fair to the OP? How about the dog?

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It is perfectly clear that you have a problem with dogs and kids.
No, I have a problem with you "guaranteeing that a dog [that you don't know in the slightest] will guard a child" [who you also don't know in the slightest) in regard to the Ops post that his GF is concerned about possible harm coming to the child by the dog.
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No, I have a problem with you "guaranteeing that a dog [that you don't know in the slightest] will guard a child" [who you also don't know in the slightest) in regard to the Ops post that his GF is concerned about possible harm coming to the child by the dog.
Agreed. I can not guarantee this. But proper education of all involved can provide a good child/pet relationship. What has the dog done to warrant his W to have an issue with the dog and a child? Perhaps the OP should work with his W towards this.


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Millions of families all over the world have dogs and babies. Quite a few of them shouldn't, because the parents are dead set morons, who think it's funny to let their toddler torment the poor dog - while filming it. They are failing both the dog and their child.

Then there are the responsible, loving parents who always supervise and if they can't supervise they separate the child and the dog until they can. They don't allow their toddler to torment the poor dog, they teach them to respect the dog and before you know it, the dog and the toddler are besties. Dogs and babies/toddlers absolutely CAN be together safely.

The reason small children get bitten more than anyone else is because small children do terrible things to dogs. That's the reality.

OP - if your wife pulls the "I don't want the dog near the baby ever" bs, remember that you are the babies father and you have as much right to decide what's safe and what's not for the child.

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They don't even have a child at this point, so I find the argument to be more than a bit premature. Sounds like a nice little smokescreen to hide the fact that she simply does not like the dog. Conceiving or adopting a child can take years. I see no valid reason to get rid of the dog on the grounds of "protect the child" until there actually is an ETA on said child.

Compromise is absolutely critical for a good relationship. Unfortunately, some things are simply not suitable for a compromise. One or both partners needs their way entirely. People typically cannot compromise on things like having children and relocating. You either agree to do them or agree not to. This dog situation is another good example. He has already compromised by retraining the dog, crating it, banishing it from certain parts of the house, etc. This has not softened her, she still starts fights over the dog. She will simply not be satisfied as long as that dog is part of their lives.

This doesn't mean that she is "wrong" as needs are not right or wrong (they are frequently incompatible, though.) She may be simply unable to compromise. In such a case, the other party must be willing to totally give in. Sometimes that's possible. Only you can decide if you want to accommodate her.

I will echo what I wrote earlier that I suspect there are a lot more fundamental mis-matches beneath the surface. You really need to explore your respective needs and desires before having/adopting a child. The fact that she so continually makes an argument about this suggests that she argues by war a war of attrition. She will keep making you miserable about this until she gets what she wants. That, my friend is not a pleasant way to live.

I wish you luck.
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IMO animals are food.

We've had several pets - a red eared slider and a Russian tortoise that we've had a decade or so. A hedgehog that we finally got rid of (smelly poopy animals).

Found out my w always wanted a dog. Never knew that. As i have allergies as do a few kids it was never an option. But poodles I guess have hair and not fur so we ended up getting a golden doodle (2x poodle) and have had no issues with fur, smell, allergies, etc for the past few years. We also keep her crated all night and throughout the day when everyone is gone. Crated at dinner or if we can't watch her. No issues with crating her.

IMO most animal lovers totally misplace their feelings for animals. They are very dumb - in no way do they compare to humans. People think their pets are so smart because they can be trained. It's only because they are misinterpreting animal behavior for human thought based behavior.

Dogs are pack animals and people often mistake pack behavior for love and affection.

Our dog sprints to the door when I come home and demands to be petted... lying down and letting me let her underbelly... the kids insist she smiles. Well I don't mind petting her because it reinforces her understanding of the pecking order and dogs who don't know their place are jumpy and distraught.

Anyway good luck to you. But recognize that you probably over interpret her animal behaviors as human. If you back off on that, train your dogs so they are disciplined animals, and your W can start to show some affection, you might meet in the middle.


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