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Old 01-11-2012, 08:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello everybody. I have nowhere else to turn, I am hoping someone is nice enough to read my long post and offer some honest advice beyond calling me names or insulting me, or telling me to just leave her.

Ill try to keep this short where possible, feel free to ask for additional details on any particular part.

We are together 16yrs. Married almost 4yrs, we have a 3yr old daughter. She has had 1 boyfriend before me when she was young.

I have cheated on her, I honestly cant remember how long ago, or how many times (maybe 3), or even why ... but she knows about them all. I think it might have been 10-12 years ago. It took a lot of begging and convincing her I really did love her, and acted stupidly on an opportunity that fell in my lap. She obviously stayed with me.

I went through a "clubbing" phase which she hated. I also did drugs which she hated, but eventually grew out of it all. It was a rough few years while i was pulling away from her to go club hopping .. i always felt like she was holding me down, she always felt like i was pulling us apart.

We went to counseling at one point because we argued so much and so fiercely. The counseling did not help .. by the end of our one hour we were both so enraged and wanted to strangle each other in the parking lot!

The doctor told her due to medical conditions, she would never be able to have children. This tore her heart apart and she wanted to leave me ... she felt like less of a woman, and felt i deserved more. But i insisted I wanted her and loved her, and it doesn't matter what the Dr says we can still try! A few years later she was pregnant

We were together for around 12yrs at this point and knew even though we had our issues, we weren't going anywhere. So we decided lets raise our baby right and get married! There was no denying we loved each other.

The wedding process was a nightmare .. she seemed to literally not want to be marrying me! She was so afraid of change, or just afraid to be marrying a f*ckup like me ... right up to the very last day we had to mail out the invites, I had to nearly force her and follow her to the mailbox. For weeks we had talked about calling it off, even after the invites were sent.

Now here is where i will lose you, and where i quite possibly have lost her. About 10yrs ago i opened up to her about a fantasy i had. It turned me on thinking about her with another man .. in front of me. She heard me out, and basically called me crazy or whatever. Over the next few years id bring it up sometimes ... until progressing to bring it into the bedroom.

We would exchange all the right dirty talk, use the proper toys to simulate the scenario, etc. You get the picture. This goes on for some time.

One day im looking over her shoulder and see she is chatting with her ex-boyfriend from before us. It turns out it was sexual in nature, and they were discussing meeting up. I confronted her and she swears nothing has happened, but she just enjoyed the "attention" from him. The thought that someone still wanted her after all that time made her feel good. She said she has made plans in the past to meet up and she always blows him off, she just takes it that far to pull him deeper into the conversation at that time. I don't doubt her, we discussed it enough that she convinced me she wasn't lying.

However soon after, my wheels start turning. Why dont we combine our little fantasies and see how it is! So she starts sex-chatting with him right in front of me. It was very hot, and drove me wild. This went on for about 2 months ... until he called her bluff and agreed to come over immediately.

Again ill shorten this but can offer more details if you need them .. bottom line, she slept with him in front of me, 8 or 9 times. He eventually blew her off and treated her pretty badly, and we ended the entire thing.

She has since told me she only did it because i pushed so hard. She also told me now she cannot get communion in church because she broke her marriage vows. She also doesn't want to do confession, for the obvious reasons.

Which leads me to why I am here ... I believe she HATES me! She is holding so much resentment from all the years of BS i put her through. We fight SOOOO much! And our fights are like wars, every time. We try to keep our daughter from seeing it for the most part, but sometimes its tough.

The smallest little tiny thing will spark an argument, that turns into 6 days of nasty insults, and divorce threats from her.

I feel like i need to walk on eggshells constantly. I cant say a certain thing, in a certain tone .. i have to remember to do the dishes, put my laundry away, clean up after myself ... all normal stuff, but if i do forget it turns into something huge.

And then we can never argue about the one thing that started the argument .. we have to bring up 20 or 30 different things until i forget why we are even arguing, and which thing i have to apologize for.

The obvious reply to this would be to go to counseling .. but we have had such terrible experiences with it. Is there anything else?

I really love my wife, and i really love my daughter. It tears my heart to pieces knowing (not fearing, KNOWING) that some day my wife will leave, and take my daughter. She will claim me unfit, or unstable, and ill rarely see her. I believe this is certain .. and its killing me to live like this.
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BTW reading this you will be convinced i am a terrible person. Im really a pretty nice guy i swear!

Im just outlining the bad parts of me here, so you can understand her frustrations and maybe give me some pointers on how to get around it.

Im just so afraid much of what i have done is irreversible. Then what
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How much did your wife change after the experiences with the other guy? I'm wondering if she has been thrown into a really bad depression because of it.

What's your take on that?
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She doesn't hate you.

She is hating herself right now and how she feels after doing what she did.

It's pretty disgusting (to me) to eff some other guy while my husband...the love of my life...watches. How degrading and creepy (for me).

I can understand her being angry. But she doesn't hate you. She just hates that she did something she can NEVER take back. She can NEVER unring that bell. She can NEVER forget what she did and it's obviously eating her up. It's eating her up enough that she's not taking communion.

Plus, after she gave her body to someone else...8 or 9 times...(which isn't a fantasy being acted out...that's an affair),...the dude treated her like crap.

Why do you think this is about you? She just went against so much of what she thinks is right.

Bleh. Maybe she needs some professional help to talk it out. It will only grow (the resentment).
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How much did your wife change after the experiences with the other guy? I'm wondering if she has been thrown into a really bad depression because of it.

What's your take on that?
Thank you for the question.

As i outlined in that sort of timeline ... we have always had fights pretty often and rough. And to this day i joke with her about having to force her to marry me ... even her mother was involved and begging her to just make up her mind.

My point is, we had issues way before any of that situation happened. Not to downplay it, I cant imagine it was easy for her to take in!

During it we seemed to be having fun with it all. But when it ended, she came out and told me how she did it all for me, and we tried it and its done and under no circumstances does she want to try it again.

We "choose" him because she didnt want any "stranger" and he was the only other guy she had been with, and he was already involved with the sexting, etc. so it was halfway done already. But in the end i think she was hurt because he blew her off pretty bad. I dont think she expected that ... it was so bad that it even pissed me off.

Firstly he was married, and sleeping with my wife ... he basically told my wife he met another woman, has only time for 2 women, and would rather see his wife and this new woman .. excluding my wife. I have to imagine that was tough for her to swallow
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She doesn't hate you.

She is hating herself right now and how she feels after doing what she did.

It's pretty disgusting (to me) to eff some other guy while my husband...the love of my life...watches. How degrading and creepy (for me).

I can understand her being angry. But she doesn't hate you. She just hates that she did something she can NEVER take back. She can NEVER unring that bell. She can NEVER forget what she did and it's obviously eating her up. It's eating her up enough that she's not taking communion.

Plus, after she gave her body to someone else...8 or 9 times...(which isn't a fantasy being acted out...that's an affair),...the dude treated her like crap.

Why do you think this is about you? She just went against so much of what she thinks is right.

Bleh. Maybe she needs some professional help to talk it out. It will only grow (the resentment).
Firstly, again we have had issues far before any of that .. and pretty serious ones! That entire thing all went down this past summer. Not to downplay it, everything you said about it seems pretty spot on ...

especially "she went against everything she thought was right" ... i think she said those exact words to me at some point!
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So she has to forgive herself which can be very, very difficult.

I don't even want to know how I'd feel in her situation Angry, grossed out, worthless, and wtf! Guess my vows really mean nothing.

And....guess the vows meant nothing TO YOU either.

This is another reason why some fantasies should remain IN THE HEAD...not the bed.
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So she has to forgive herself which can be very, very difficult.

I don't even want to know how I'd feel in her situation Angry, grossed out, worthless, and wtf! Guess my vows really mean nothing.

And....guess the vows meant nothing TO YOU either.

This is another reason why some fantasies should remain IN THE HEAD...not the bed.
You are saying all the same stuff she has said, exactly. Especially about the Vows.

So is there anything at all i can do on my part, at this point?
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One thing i forgot to mention ... its not all hell in my house!

We will fight for a short time, then everything is fine until the next time i slip up.

For example this morning i took a late shower and caused her to be late ... which led to her calling me to discuss that, which turned into "you dont listen" and "you ignore me" and "i need passion" then 15 other things ... now she is in the bedroom by herself, wont even talk to me.

But as recent as 3 weeks ago we were trying for another baby! Its such an up & down roller coaster.
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The very reason for arguments, is a way to express yourself when you feel like there is a problem... its the way of getting the other persons attention...

get together and express your issues, your fears, your wants... (I would stick to watching your daughter grow up and wanting to grow old with her..) something that will spark the hope in her future usually is a good place to start... something to work towards.

There must have been something about you or she wouldnt have stuck around... Find out her issues fears and wants and work out to solve the issues together because what you have is worth it.

Other wise you may have to look past your selfish desires -selfish- because you would have to do what is best for your family, not just physically but mentally as well.

She has tried very hard to please you and your every whim... but at what cost... not to mention what you are is the protector of the family.... and it seems that to her you have not only failed but have been the cause of such pain...

If she was able to look past your past behaivor she maybe able to forget the past wrong doings and get past this together... Now her sin is between her and god, and I know that is a hard one... something that will take more time than anything but she has to allow herself to confess and be forgiven, on top of forgive herself.

I wish you good luck!
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She sounds like she just needs some therapy to work through the issues she has (besides this one of sleeping with someone else).

Also....she could think that you think of her like a wh0re. I mean, you basically pimped her out.

As a husband, you're supposed to protect her. You didn't.
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I too asked my husband for another child because a child, working extra hours and home demo and remodel means that we divert our attention away from our problems for a time allowing for any issues to be set aside...

What you have are problems and they need to be solved and although hope for the future, expanding family will ease that (with a fair amount of luck) for a short while the deep seeded issues will again arise. With out attention they will get worse and will not get fixed on their own. Get down on your knees in the door way and when she comes over lean your head on her abs and ask her forgiveness... I dont care if you are too blame or not... it will get the ball rolling...

Remember it isnt the level of your voice it is what you say if she yells... count in your head remain still and dont say anything... she will take note of your silence... You can do it!!!
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I too asked my husband for another child because a child, working extra hours and home demo and remodel means that we divert our attention away from our problems for a time allowing for any issues to be set aside...
I actually hadnt thought about that! Very interesting
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Please don't have another child until you can solve this. Children are not therapy. They are not 'diversions'. They are people. People who will live with angry parents. That has got to be the worst advice I've heard on this site.
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Please don't have another child until you can solve this. Children are not therapy. They are not 'diversions'. They are people. People who will live with angry parents. That has got to be the worst advice I've heard on this site.
nobody has suggested to us to have another child. She has been asking for it for a long time, and she really is an outstanding mother .. and our daughter is amazingly gorgeous hehe

so i figured what could it hurt? Ill give her what she wants LOL!

But then i overslept, and now we are back to getting divorced. Crap
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