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Old 12-18-2011, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been with my husband for 23 years, we were both 17 when we met. We have been married for 23 years. Our daughter came along when we had been married for 10 years. She wasn't planned but she is very much loved & such a special girl.

My husband has been having an affair (off & on but mostly on) for the last 15 years. Always the same OW which make it worse because it is a reltionship- not just sex. She still lives with her parents (she's 36 now) she has always known about me, and more recently our daughter. As do her parents & family, it doesn't seem to matter to them?

I havent known about it for all that time, there have been seperations & reconcilliations 4 times until the last one. He left last time 5 years ago, our daughter was 2 years old. He said he was going out to a friends house, then called me up 15 minutes later to tell me he had left me for her. Turned out he had moved into a new place with her, took all his stuff while I was at work. After the initial shock, then emotional breakdown, I began to realise I could live without him.

Within 1 month he was knocking on my door, saying he wanted to come back, I held out for 10 months. I eventually took him back after alot of soul searching nd told myself it would be best for our daughter. However, being unaware of the rules to a real reconcilliation I can see now that it just went underground again.

So now the latest D day was on 3rd September. I found some pictures on her face book site (which I have monitored sporadically for the last 3 years) of my WH & his OW. They included studio photographs of them, with her family & just the two of them, she referred to him as her fiance. It appears they are now engaged, there were pictures of flowers he sent her recently - with a note "because I love you!" this was a real blow for me as I had had to borrow money of his mum to buy shoes for our daughter because money was tight yet he had sent her flowers in the same week. So I confronted him, & he denied it.

I took our daughter to stay with my Dad (my mum passed 2 years ago) & I tell him I want him out - he can go & live with her again. I warned him last time there were no more chances. He said he was not moving anywhere as he cant afford it & anyway he's not seeing her!! He then threatens to hand the house back to the mortgage company & gives me 5 days to get our stuff out of the house or he will dump it on the road.

I spoke to the mortgage company who say its bull s**t and I tell him that. So again I asked him to leave, he refused, "I'm not paying for you to live here" he says "I burn the F'ing thing down" So I go to a lawer who tells me to get back in the house as it's jointly owned & I move back in.

Which brings me to the present day... I have filed for divorce,it took me 2 months to get the money together but I did it. We share the same house, he sleeps in our daughters room. On the surface everything else is the same, I wash, I cook, I go to work.. We are civil to each other but he seems to take this as a sign of me weakening. He's in complete denial. The only thing that reminds him is when he gets papers through from the solicitor or court & he is nasty & vile to me every opportunity he gets then.

Eventually he calms down but then I am left waiting for the next set of papers or reminder to send him over the edge.. Our daughter knows we are divorcing but I haven't said why, only tht Daddy broke a promise & I cant forgive him for that. I know that eventually, the divorce will come through & the house will be sold and I can move on to the next chapter of my life, but I'm scared he's not going to let me.

His denial continues, whenever we discuss the divorce he is adamant he is not seeing her, he says she is a psyco bunny boiler yet refuses to confront her, because that's what she wants. He claims not to have spoken to her for 5 years & yet when I called him on D day, she had blocked me from her page within 30 seconds of him putting the phone down on me?!

He says the photo's were photo shopped or they are from years ago. Yet I spoke to the photographer at the studio they were taken (the OW couldnt help but boast on her FB page where they were taken) she confirmed the date of them Feb this year. So he has said that the photographer is lying?!! and that there is a conspiracy against him!??

He tells his parents he doesn't want a divorce, yet he has made no effort to even say sorry let alone make amends? I know I am done, I knew that last time.. but I would have expected him to put up more of a fight. I would have so much more respect for him as an individual if he owned up to what he is doing. My friends say he is in denial & that he doesn't think I will go through with it this time.. but he's mistaken.

I'm just frustrated by the fact that he's making me out to be the bad guy in this, putting all the blame on me with is family.. for example I shouldnt have gone looking.... I've put on weight in the last few years.. I'm lazy (with a full time job, a home & a little one to take care of?).. Luckily they are very supportive, and have a very poor opinion of my WH.

How do I handle this? I mean how do you do the 180 when you are living in the same house? I'm not great with conflict so I'm trying to keep it amicable, but that just means I'm looking like a doormat?? I want to scream at him for what he has done to our family. He loves our daughter very much & is a good dad.. but is an appalling liar and useless husband.

How do I come out of this with my sanity still in tact?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You probably can't get out of it with your sanity intact.

Why would your lawyer tell you to move back into the house? Can't you stay with your dad until the divorce is final? Your husband doesn't believe you because you've not stuck to your guns before, but this time he will understand exactly what he's done. He doesn't want any of the blame or responsibility. Sounds EXACTLY like my own husband!

He'll deny it until he's ready to face the truth of what he's done. You can't force it out of him, but you can divorce his miserably butt and leave him behind where it belongs. I would suggest speaking with a councellor about whats happening. A support system is fine with family and friends, but a therapist could really help.

My husband has been spitting my name up and down this part of the state with how horrible a person and mother I am. I know its not true, and he will realize it in court. So will yours.

Also, try and get those pictures from the OW facebook page. You will need them to prove infidelity during your divorce.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So we are 2 months on....

The divorce is still ongoing, he ripped up the first set as soon as he received them saying "..no f**ker is going to tell me when I can see my daughter..."

So we have appplied to the judge to put the divorce through without re-serving (UK law)

He has also recently started blaming me - latest text (we dont talk face to face he cant bring himself to speak to me about any of this) saya that it takes 2 to make a marriage and he cant be blamed for all of it?? WTF??? I mean seriously, you have been banging some bint for that past 15 years & thats my fault??

I have supported this man emotionally, physically & financially for the past 24 years.. He has wanted for NOTHING.. he has selfishly persued every hair brained hobby, only to spend a fortune & get bored withit after a few months (there is a jetski in the garage to prove it!! - we live in-land?!!)

I know I am doing the right thing here- but why do I want him to want me? Why does it hurt so much that he doesn't seem in the least bit bothered that our relationship is ending? Why couldn't he have had the decency to fight for it instead of issuing me with a list of conditions where he would reconcile??

This is so messed up...
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Why would your lawyer tell you to move back into the house? Can't you stay with your dad until the divorce is final?
Because in divorce proceedings leaving the marital home can be seen as abandonment.

It puts her in a bad position for the divorce.
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Why couldn't he have had the decency to fight for it instead of issuing me with a list of conditions where he would reconcile??

He probably doesn`t think you`ll go through with it.
You`ve put up with it for decades.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I have been struggling in the last couple of weeks with a need to assert myself sexually with him. I haven't acted on it but I have been lusting after him??!!

Whats that all about?

Am I still hankering after a man who does not want me? I'm confused and angry at my own feelings....

I deeply resent the fact that I have to divorce him, although I accept that I do. I don't want things to carry on the way they are. I need change for my own sanity and self worth. So why would I allow myself to consider sleeping with him?

I know I would be disgusted with myself afterwards - that is probably what is stopping me. But I just dont understand the thought process.

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Old 03-10-2012, 12:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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A letter arrived from the court addressed to him today..

Took a sneak peek (yeah i know)

Looks like the court has decided he has been properly served despite him ripping the papers up.. should have the decree nici through by next week!!!

On the flip side, he's gonna kick off big time when he comes in from work and reads it..

Ahh well... good job I'm going out...STUFF HIM!!
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LOL... yep stuff him!

I think that your wanting sex with him is just your wanting sex... we all have our needs. And as you have said, some part of you hates that you have to divorce him and that you cannot have a good marriage. That part of you wants to pretend there is a good marriage. But you need to keep that part under check.

Have you considered contacting the OW and tell her that she can have him.... for her to please come get him and have him live with her? Also she might offer you more concrete evidence so that she can finally have him.


If he goes off the handle and becomes threatening, you might want to call the police. They might just help you get a restraining order and thus he could not live in the same home with you.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Elegirl,

Already tried that, here's what I sent about 6 weeks ago, by post to her home address;

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My only reason for contacting you is to be able to move on from the current situation. You may not understand this but I no longer feel the need to vent my anger at you Txxx, as I no longer care what you and my husband get up to.

I simply want you to have no part in my life ( or my daughters for that matter) Which is why I wanted to ensure you have some idea of the current situation and expose the lies Sxxxxxx is continuing to tell to me & the rest of his family purely to protect himself.

I have had quite enough of the constant lies, denials and hypocrisy. Sxxxxxx has no intention of choosing between us, so I have done it for him. After almost 24 years together, I have filed for divorce, siting your adulterous affair as the reason. As far as I am concerned you are now quite welcome to him. Sxxxxxxx is all yours with my blessing, it needn't be a long drawn out process as long as he co-operates.

I am (so I am told) being more than reasonable over our finances & access to our daughter so Sxxxxxxx has no reason to dispute the divorce whatsoever.

Despite this Sxxxxxxx is refusing to co-operate and appears to be dragging his feet, ripping up any papers that come to him from my solicitor. He seems incapable of discussing it without getting aggressive or burying his head in the sand. Whereas I would prefer for this to be done as quickly and painlessly as possible for our daughter's sake.

I first asked Sxxxxxxx to move out 4 months ago (given that he is the adulterer & it would mean the least disruption to our daughter) yet he still stubbornly refuses.

As you can appreciate I have no desire to continue living with a pathological liar and borderline sociopath. We will both have to move out of the house sooner or later and given his continuing "relationship" with you I would have imagined he would want to move in with you as soon as possible.

His refusal to do so therefore confuses me as does his increasingly vociferous denial of your continuing adulterous relationship.

Sxxxxxx denies to this day that you are continuing your affair. He continues to tell me & his family that he has no desire to be with you. He has stated to us repeatedly that you are (and I quote) "a delusional bunny boiler" that you "won't take no for an answer".

According to Sxxxxxxx, you are not & have never been engaged. He has told his parents that, as far as he is concerned your "engagement" is a continuing figment of your imagination. Indeed, when I suggested in a text message he leave & move in with his fiance, he replied " F**K OFF... I am not with her, I have no intention ever being with her & I will never marry her & I will tell you to F**K OFF every time you say that" Charming!

Stxxxxx has managed to convince his parents and wider family that the studio portraits you had taken with him and your family at the photography Studios were photo shopped fakes, created by you and posted on Face-book as part of your delusional obsession with him and a continuing campaign to wreck our marriage. Because of this they now feel (and Sxxxxxx happily encourages them to believe) that he is also a victim in all this and that you are an inherently vile individual and quite deranged.

As I have said, this leaves me somewhat confused as he repeatedly denies you to everyone we care about at every opportunity. Even when confronted with evidence to the contrary and yet I am sure he is telling you and your family the exact opposite.

It could be purely the embarrassment and the shame of having your seedy affair exposed that is influencing his actions.

Or it could also be that I am wrong and you too have grown tired of the lies and false promises and decided to walk away and who would blame you? If you no longer want him, that could explain his reluctance to divorce or move out.

If not, then you need to talk to him. Have you never expressed a desire to be with him, out in the open in a real honest relationship? Maybe he thinks that you like being his bit on the side and that's why he's dragging his feet now & denying your "relationship"?

Either way this must be brought to a conclusion.

OK... so I understand you have no reason to believe me - but I have no reason to contact you to tell you to take him, other than to attempt to bring this sorry mess to a close.

You can of course do what you want with this information. Ignore it if you want. But I do believe that fundamentally we both want the same thing, which is for Sxxxxxx to move out.

I can only imagine the crap he has told you about me. Let me guess... I'm lazy, a bad mum, he does all the cooking cleaning washing etc? I'm pathetic and needy. He can't leave because I'm unstable and he doesn't know what I'd do? He couldn't have that on his conscience?

Whatever cliche he is telling you it's all lies. I'm not the witch he is undoubtably portraying me as, I'm a good person. I look for the good in everyone. I work hard, I cook, I clean, I have supported him physically, emotionally & financially for the past 20 years and he repays me by lying to my face and disrespecting me.

I am in no doubt that he will deny everything when you confront him and I have no doubt he will attempt to lie his way out of it (again) and fob you off with some lame excuse as to why he cant leave.

Aren't you sick of the lies yet Txxx?

I have attached copies of the texts he has sent me to corroborate my story................... The ball is now firmly in your court.

I never got a reply..
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Good letter!!

So I wonder if she did talk to him about it.

I guess all you can do is to go through the divorce and stay away from him as much as possible. Call the police if he gets out of hand... and one day there will probably be a court order telling him to leave the house.

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Old 03-11-2012, 05:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if she did confront him. I was expecting him to lose it when shr did but nothing. He's never been big on restraint and I'm not sure he's as good an actor as he thinks he is!! Either way he hasn't mentioned it so I have drawn 2 conclusions fron the silence....
1. They are no longer together (unlikely)
2. She doesn't want to confront him for fear of what he will say/ do (hmm)

Either way it didn't have the desired affect!!!

He opened his letter of the court last night.. Read it wrong and started ranting about why was I summoning him to court & no f#@ker orders him to do anything!!! He's now ignoring me like a child, stomping round. I can handle it but our little girl is getting upset 

The letter just stated that the court deems that the papers have been served on him after I made my affidavit confirming he ripped them up. So I guess my decree nici is on it's way... 6 weeks & I can divorce him... I could tell him all this of course but a) he's not speaking to me & b) he shouldn't have been such a smart arse and got himself a solicitor!!!!

The funny thing is, the more awkward he gets the more I know I am doing the right thing.. What a moron!!
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Ok... Angry today.. Want to march downstairs and stick that xbox right up his hoop!! Grrrr!Annoying a-hole.
After sulking for 2 days now acting as if nothing is happening again. His mood swings are exhausting!! I'm sat upstairs because he has commandeered the TV. I need to start doing something with myself after our daughter has gone to bed, something for me, preferably that will get me out of the house...

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I have been struggling in the last couple of weeks with a need to assert myself sexually with him. I haven't acted on it but I have been lusting after him??!!

Whats that all about?

Am I still hankering after a man who does not want me? I'm confused and angry at my own feelings....

I deeply resent the fact that I have to divorce him, although I accept that I do. I don't want things to carry on the way they are. I need change for my own sanity and self worth. So why would I allow myself to consider sleeping with him?

I know I would be disgusted with myself afterwards - that is probably what is stopping me. But I just dont understand the thought process.

I would apprciate your thoughts x



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DIVORCED .......TBC
Ah! I'm not the only one! For a while after I moved out, I had this really strong desire to just go up to him some time when I was at the house, sit on his lap and just go for it. Totally not like me! It was really, really strong for a while that I was soooo close to trying it. I really tried to analyze why, because he'd initiated the split, he'd rejected me sexually eventually even though we'd still had sex after the separation started (we lived together for a few months, too). I felt like a nutcase! Here's what I came up with for reasons:

1. To prove I could still get him aroused (duh)
2. To hopefully get some sex out of it (duh & and he could be very good in bed)
3. To reassert my place in the house, where he was trying to eradicate any trace of me living there, which really hurt.
4. I was starting to feel more confident about myself, and I wanted to take control of a situation for once.
5. I hoped that he'd realize he still had feelings for me (hardest to admit)
6. I had to admit that I wanted to know I could affect/control his feelings like he did mine.

But knowing he could be very cruel when he felt threatened, I didn't even try. If he didn't get aroused (which was a definite possibility, as he needed ED meds periodically), he'd be sure to use that as a judgement against my attractiveness even if it was ED. He'd already shown that any feelings he had for me could be suppressed and that he wanted to suppress them. The very real possibility of a humiliating rejection made me decide against the whole thing. I just settled for a date with Mr. Hitachi instead.

But I still tell myself that if he was under the influence of a truth serum or something, he would have been mine. Now I just have to work on the more negative motivations I discovered, so that I can be in a better emotional position (ha!) for real sex, should the opportunity ever arise (ha, again!) in my life.
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I'm having a bad day, mothers day tomorrow (uk) and I miss my mum so much. Wish she was here, I could really do with her advice & support. She always knew just what to say to make it better. She would be delighted that I am finally divorcing my STBXH but would not have taken any pleasure in being right.
My mum in law is fabulous, I love her so much, we are very close. I have known her for 24 years and she has often said I am the daughter she missed out on (she has a daughter who is mentally handicapped) my STBXH is adamant that once our marriage ends that my relationship with his mum will end, in fact he is determined to end my relationship with all of his family. I can't bear the thought that I will lose another mum through no fault of my own. I know blood is thicker than water but why do I deserve to be punished when he's the one who had an affair?
His family are all saying that nothing will change as far as they are concerned but I know my STBXH he has been increasingly vindictive and I know he will do whatever he can to hurt me..
All the time his wh0re is choosing venues, wedding stationary and cakes of FB...!!
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What a minute?! If he's this controlling with his family over talking to you and this vindictive towards you, I can only imagine what fresh hell he is going to inflict on the OW once the honeymoon dies.
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