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Old 02-27-2012, 04:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Yes can go for child support , you guys are living separate.
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
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justwhy do you know if I'd file for a legal separation and thats where all that would be worked out? I was thinking of it anyway...though its probably just dragging out the inevitable I know....I just can't seem to bring myself to file for divorce just yet...stupid I know considering how he is.
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Not in NJ. call your county courthouse or go online, I know someone who did it before he left the house. our husband will stop his direct deposit so be prepared. The day you file will start him owning you.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:23 PM   #19 (permalink)
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yes its a joint acct....one we opened a week before he left...s'plain that one Lucy....I dont get why he did a lot of things he did right before he left....that was one of them...signing us all up for health ins at his work as a surprise to me....we had talked about it and I told him it was too much we could do without....he came home and told me he went ahead and did it because he wanted us all to be healthy and protected....its 300 a mth for coverage. Why do that if you're leaving?

Anyway I know none of his threats have any validity....it was like a little boy kicking and screaming...give me my way or I'll.... sad really. I'm not going to make his car payment....I am keeping all the tax money and I will be at the bank next friday taking out whatever I can then too.....screw him. He wanted this....well welcome to it. My kids aren't going to suffer over his selfishness.
Good for you. Have you seen a lawyer at all. I think in some states you can have it to where there is a budget and both must stick to it... I can't think of what it is called but someone will know it here.

Stay strong! I am so tired of grown people throwing tantrums!
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Oh mama....so am I.....I couldn't believe some of the things that were coming out of his mouth. I could almost invision him on the floor kicking and screaming. Everything I said I got a mean response back....ones just meant to hurt. And surprisingly they didn't as much this time....maybe because he was so absurd...or so desperate for a change...

I haven't talked to an atty but I think that I should...I did look up the court paperwork and saw that you can file just for child support without having a divorce in motion. I think I'll do that. I'm sure that will just set him off again but whats new.

You know what came to mind today....he's nothing but a bully....and when you confront a bully they usually back down...we'll see...
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I have a question about child support/alimony etc....can you file for it without filing for divorce?
Melissa:

I am just now seeing this, and I am so sorry that your story is ongoing, and that things are unfolding the way they are. I feel so bad for you and your boys. How are they doing through all of this? How are you doing given that you started your externships? Holy cow.

Anyway, you may have already done this, but I wanted to comment just in case. I was able to file for child support and custody without filing for divorce the last time my H left us. I printed the paperwork off of the court's website and took it in. I didn't even have to pay a fee that day. I was granted an ex parte hearing with the judge, who signed the orders that afternoon. Quick and easy and protected the kids through the whole mess. I was not going to file the divorce because I am not the one who walked away, but I damn sure was going to protect myself and my kids from his silliness. You have been more than fair with your H, and it's time for you to worry about you and the kids now. File for custody and child support.

I will also tell you that there is a benefit to your doing it this way now, regardless of how ticked off he is going to get. Like your H, mine has abandoned us many times when he's having one of his fits. Well, I made sure to put that all in the paperwork -- father abandons child regularly, does not contact or check on child for weeks on end, last time was on Christmas Day (and this was the one that really sealed the deal). The judge heard the story and had no issues whatsoever about signing an order giving me full custody.

It also helped to set the stage for permanent visitation/custody orders, because it was to be heard in the same court. Had we gotten that far, he was going to have to explain himself and his actions and justify why he should have any contact with the kids. After my hearing, as I was finalizing some paperwork with the clerk's office, the bailiff stopped me on the way out and told me, "We can't give you legal advice, but I think the judge would tell you, if he could, to find a lawyer who will insist on supervised visits only, and I don't think you would have a problem getting that order signed in this court."

The reality is this: No matter what you do, your H is going to find fault with it and beat you up as much as he can. Now that he has another woman, he is going to be in the fog and really won't be worried about stepping up and tending to his fatherly responsibilities. File for custody and child support at the very least so that you know regardless of what he does for work he will be providing some support for the children, and that he can't get a hair up his a$$ and decide one day to come grab Dylan.

This also helps to level the playing field some, too. Up to now, he's been running the show, calling the shots, and put you in a position where you're begging for answers -- because you deserve them! -- and he won't provide you any, just wants to insult you and call you names. By filing paperwork with the court, he'll wake up quickly and figure out that you're taking some of your control back. He won't like it, I will tell you that now, but it's something you have to do for you and your kids. You guys can't go on in limbo like this forever....and as much as he talks, he hasn't filed himself yet, has he? He wants to keep you there as an option, in case the other woman doesn't work out. Refuse to be his option and put him on notice by filing the paperwork that supporting his kids isn't a choice he gets to make and that you are ready to move on without him.

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Old 02-29-2012, 08:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Thank you so much for that...I needed it so much this morning. I am going to file for child support/custody. He is is crazyland at the moment and his family is worse so the last thing I would want is he/them to get some wild idea to try and take Dylan from me or even to put him through visitation over there. When it comes to protecting my boys I will bring it all out.
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:40 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm not surprised to hear his childhood home was filled with neglect and anger. What you describe of his behavior towards you (ie: the lack of commitment to doing anything different and the anger when not getting his way) screams of an emotionally broken person.

He's likely known what you've wanted for years, but has been secretly angry with you because he's simply terrified to actually commit woman. He likely distrusts all women and holds them in contempt. You see, people who should not have hurt him DID hurt him a long time ago. You are likely the stand-in for his anger towards them.

Marriage counseling is not what he needs.

Individual counseling IS what he needs - with a focus on his interactions with you - and how he can get past his own anger and the resulting dismissal of your needs in your relationship.

Keep in mind that some people actually attend therapy simply to nurse their own internal anger. Of course, this gets nowhere. Then they end up repeating the same old mistakes for the rest of their lives. They are miserable and they blame everyone but themselves.

The people that hurt him aren't here.

Now, he's paying it forward.

It can stop here. But, she's going to need to fix himself. He's the only one that can.

You taking his crap doesn't help him a bit.

Most importantly, it does nothing positive for you.

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Oh yes....he has a very bad childhood. His dad was an alcoholic and left the household for a time to get cleaned up. His mom is a lot like he is now....at least this side of him...cold and uncaring...I've heard many stories from him and his sisters about the abuse...though they dont call it that...I sure do.....made to pick switches off the tree to get beat with....
He did a lot of drugs in his early years....into his late twenties....

I knew all this...I guess I was just enough messed up from my first marriage that I thought things would be ok. This is far from the first time he's walked out...its just the first time he's stayed gone....and its far from the first time he's been vulgar and cruel with his words.

Time for me to accept that he has problems that go beyond what is going to change without him getting help and he won't do that....so...
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Conrad, everything you said is so true. There were times (and yes I know every person in an abused relationship says this) but there were times when he would try so hard to change....I can recall getting this self help program....relationship rescue...it involved months of daily 'things' to do...talking, writing, talking about feelings, tasks to do....he did it all...openly and willingly. Things were so good then...when this angry side appears he's a whole different person....this one now....hes no one I know... I know its time to heal myself and my family....I can't fix him....I can't make him want to change...and he doesnt want to admit there is one so its easier to run away and start with someone new....it doesnt stop the hurt or the want. I want the man deep inside...the one who cared enough to help me overcome my anxiety disorder and be able to do things again...the one who encouraged me to go to school and the one who would call and say he loved me just because... Sadly I think he's gone or maybe never was....
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:51 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Your STBXH ad my ex-gf sound like they were cut from the same cloth. When my ex gets bad its like a switch flips and she becomes a total different person that has never known me and my existence, or not, doesn't matter to her.
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Melissa,

I realize you're relatively new. This is a wonderful forum filled with people who are either discovering how bad it is, working through how bad it is, or are reporting from the other side (of how bad it was).

You will see many many posts from well meaning people about Willard Harley's "His Needs/Her Needs" and Smalley's "Love Languages", etc.

Let me say this once.

NONE OF THAT STUFF MATTERS IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH A BROKEN PERSON WHO WON'T FIX THEMSELVES. NADA - ZIP - ZILCH

That's why I ask this question so often. IF you are dealing with one of these people - quite literally - wrong is right.

Abused people abuse.

Until you stop letting them abuse you.

You're been abused.

It's time for you to fix yourself and start healing.

Find out what you've done to allow this type of person this close to you - and why.

The rest of your life remains to be lived.

Don't give it away.

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Conrad, everything you said is so true. There were times (and yes I know every person in an abused relationship says this) but there were times when he would try so hard to change....I can recall getting this self help program....relationship rescue...it involved months of daily 'things' to do...talking, writing, talking about feelings, tasks to do....he did it all...openly and willingly. Things were so good then...when this angry side appears he's a whole different person....this one now....hes no one I know... I know its time to heal myself and my family....I can't fix him....I can't make him want to change...and he doesnt want to admit there is one so its easier to run away and start with someone new....it doesnt stop the hurt or the want. I want the man deep inside...the one who cared enough to help me overcome my anxiety disorder and be able to do things again...the one who encouraged me to go to school and the one who would call and say he loved me just because... Sadly I think he's gone or maybe never was....
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Good for you. Have you seen a lawyer at all. I think in some states you can have it to where there is a budget and both must stick to it... I can't think of what it is called but someone will know it here.

Stay strong! I am so tired of grown people throwing tantrums!
They often do that when they are little people inside.
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