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Old 05-31-2012, 06:49 PM   #241 (permalink)
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Thanks for the link about vulnerability. Brene Brown's speech is life changing.
I am glad you liked it. ...it really spoke to me when I first heard it. I thought it serves as a good reminder to strive to connect with others...and to strive to lives an authentic life. Sometimes I forget to do that.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:13 PM   #242 (permalink)
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I think she's so right. We live as if everything is a competition, dont open ourselves up enough in fear of getting hurt, shame.

I forwarded the link to STBXW. This has been one of her biggest problems all along, the inability to give and accept love.
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I think she's so right. We live as if everything is a competition, dont open ourselves up enough in fear of getting hurt, shame.

I forwarded the link to STBXW. This has been one of her biggest problems all along, the inability to give and accept love.
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You did what?!

Why would you send that nutjob anything? Are you out of your mind? She's going to print that out, roll it up and shove it up your a*s the next time she sees you.
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:17 AM   #244 (permalink)
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Bandit,

The stuff talked about is really great and can change someone's life is the advice is followed. I felt like sending it to her because I think she could benefit from this a lot. Surprisingly, she didn't react to it in a negative way. She was very thankful and acknowledge the message hit home.
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:07 PM   #245 (permalink)
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Lifescript...I remember sending that link to me ex about a year ago.

Her talk spoke to me, and I was excited and wanted to share it with him.

I don't think he even bothered to watch it. Brene Brown is a qualitative researcher...and my ex does not have much respect for qualitative researchers.

That's okay, though.

It's not for everyone, I guess.

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Old 06-03-2012, 08:58 PM   #246 (permalink)
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Well, this was an interesting weekend.

I took my son to birthday party today. The party was for the 4-year old daughter of one of my ex-husband's colleagues. I was invited, so I went.

I knew a lot of my ex's colleagues would probably be there. ...and I had a feeling that a lot of them didn't know that we were getting a divorce. But, I went...and I tried not to think too much about it prior to the party. I have grown pretty confident in my ability to handle social situations, and I sort of felt like I could handle this.

But, still. I wanted to be prepared. So, I was practicing how to engage in conversations with them. For instance, what would I do if they asked me where my ex was? In my head, I practiced simply saying, "Oh, well. We are going though a divorce." Period.--divorce. Simple. divorce with a lower-case 'd'.
...then I would quickly move on to small sort of other idle chit-chat in order to alleviate the awkwardness...like, "How about this gorgeous weather?"...or.."Wow, your kids are getting so big!"..blah blah.

That was how I practiced it.

Here is how it went:

Ex's Colleague: "So, where is _______ today?"


Me: "We are no longer married. "

Pause.

Pause.

.....

Pause.



Me: "Yes, we are getting a Divorce". ....With a capital D.
Man! In that instant, that hard D sound in Divorce just struck me so deeply when I said it out loud. I very rarely say that word out loud. Surreal. I AM getting a divorce. Wow. That really is me. Wow.

Colleague: "Oh, I had no idea. I hardly ever see ________ in the department. I had no idea. Gosh."

Me: "Yeah. Well, yeah. We are not really married anymore... ....Wow! Look how big your kids are getting!" ...

...and on I went. blah blah blahing away. Small talk.

Strange.

Then, a while later, another mutual friend sat down next to me and said that she knew we were going through a divorce...and that she talked to my ex about a month ago and he said that we had almost everything worked out. She was going on and on and saying how good it was that my ex was able to see our son on a regular basis...and how it was so great of him to find an apartment near by...blah blah. . None of these people know that my ex left me for his graduate student. They just think that our marriage feel apart.

But, while she was talking to me, I almost started crying. It was strange. I thought I was past all that---that uncontrolled crying at inappropriate times. But, as she was talking, I started to remember all that I have gone through. I started to sort of think of myself in the 3rd person--remembering when my ex-husband was looking for an apartment, remembering how I had hopes we would be able to work this out, thinking about all I had to do to raise my son on my own without much help from him. This person was lecturing me on how great it was that my ex was still a part of my son's life. I wanted to scream and defend my former self--that self who was left and abandoned..that self who was just so destroyed at one point...whose heart was so broken...I wanted to stick up for my former self and tell her "Don't you understand all that I have been though?? Don't you get it? Yes, my ex sees his son...but, he LEFT us when his son was just 9 months old. Who does that??? " grrrr.

Obviously, she had been fed my ex-husband's perspective.

I almost started to cry, because I felt sorry for my former self---but, not my current self.

Does that make sense?

Probably not.

But, it got me thinking....

I feel like I have trained my brain into this well-oiled machine that can handle almost anything and any situation. My brain *knows* that I am better off without my ex. My brain *knows* that I can handle anything. My brain *knows* so much and can think its way through anything....my brain often just takes over and tries to squelch my feelings. It is often at odds with my heart. When my heart feels sad, my brain tends to take over and tells my heart to just stop being sad...stop holding onto the "could have been's". But, sometimes I wonder if my brain is taking over my heart a little too much. For instance, why did I feel the need to cry at that inappropriate time? Is my heart not done feeling? Does my heart still have more sadness and sorrow to dispose of?




Perhaps.



sigh.



Oh well....time to get ready for another week.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:03 PM   #247 (permalink)
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Oh!--and I forgot....the firefighter is back.

It is a long story, but I ran into him again--and he has re-entered the picture.

He's back.



Yes. Really. I am seeing him on Tuesday.

....maybe my brain isn't as smart as I think it is....
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #248 (permalink)
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jpr, you know you're great, right?

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I almost started to cry, because I felt sorry for my former self---but, not my current self.
This makes sense. It's a measure of how much you've grown, strengthened have been able to move on. You were strong to fight back the tears at the party. You showed a lot of integrity as well in not blasting your ex to his colleagues. You showed class.

I think feeling sad is normal. When we were with our exes, we had hopes, dreams, happiness... so there is a lot to mourn and get over. There are times, like at the party, where comments and reflection can tug at emotions and that's ok. It's not about where you've been anymore... but about where you're going.

Man... I really apply my comments to my own situation, shouldn't I?

I hope things go well with the FF. Nothing wrong with getting to know him better and see if he's a good fit in your life and in your heart. Best wishes!!!
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:28 PM   #249 (permalink)
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This makes sense. It's a measure of how much you've grown, strengthened have been able to move on. You were strong to fight back the tears at the party. You showed a lot of integrity as well in not blasting your ex to his colleagues. You showed class.

I think feeling sad is normal. When we were with our exes, we had hopes, dreams, happiness... so there is a lot to mourn and get over. There are times, like at the party, where comments and reflection can tug at emotions and that's ok. It's not about where you've been anymore... but about where you're going.

Man... I really apply my comments to my own situation, shouldn't I?

I hope things go well with the FF. Nothing wrong with getting to know him better and see if he's a good fit in your life and in your heart. Best wishes!!!
I <heart> you, Canguy!

You know the ff would be out of the picture if you lived closer.



I think we all often good at giving other people advice...but, sometimes we have a hard time following our own. I know I can be guilty of that.

It is because of the battle between our heart and brain. They are at war...always. When you give someone else advice, you are advising them almost entirely with your brain. Your brain sees things so clearly. Your brain can solve ANY problem.

But, when it comes to following your own advice---your pesky little heart gets in the way. It nags at the advice of your brain...like a little child tugging on your pants leg begging for a piece of candy, saying "But! But! But!..Pleeeeese!" "...."But I want this!". ...."But I WAAAAAANT this!!"

The heart often wants something that the brain knows is bad for it.

The brain is rational, calm...and often no fun.

The heart is impulsive, lively, and often out of control.

They are constantly at war....at least my heart and my brain seem to be constantly at war.
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I <heart> you too, jpr. If we lived closer I think we'd have something special going on.

I like the heart/brain battle example you gave. Definitely the case with many of us at times. Logic vs Emotion... The Spock thing. All part of being not-always-rational human beings.
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I <heart> you, Canguy!

You know the ff would be out of the picture if you lived closer.



I think we all often good at giving other people advice...but, sometimes we have a hard time following our own. I know I can be guilty of that.

It is because of the battle between our heart and brain. They are at war...always. When you give someone else advice, you are advising them almost entirely with your brain. Your brain sees things so clearly. Your brain can solve ANY problem.

But, when it comes to following your own advice---your pesky little heart gets in the way. It nags at the advice of your brain...like a little child tugging on your pants leg begging for a piece of candy, saying "But! But! But!..Pleeeeese!" "...."But I want this!". ...."But I WAAAAAANT this!!"

The heart often wants something that the brain knows is bad for it.

The brain is rational, calm...and often no fun.

The heart is impulsive, lively, and often out of control.

They are constantly at war....at least my heart and my brain seem to be constantly at war.
I wish it were that romantic.

Your left brain (logical center) sees "it"

Your right brain (emotional center) gets "it"

When they don't agree? Major stress.

The right brain is the part that talks the left brain into dysfunction.

What you WANT to be true is so appealing vs. what actually IS true.
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Last time you hooked up with the firefighter you slept with him and then you spent a week flogging yourself in front of everyone on TAM for your weakness.

You're not going to put us through that again are you?
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Last time you hooked up with the firefighter you slept with him and then you spent a week flogging yourself in front of everyone on TAM for your weakness.

You're not going to put us through that again are you?
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I hope that 'nope' means that you won't flog yourself either in front of us OR in private. No more flogging, jpr.

You were very brave at that party. I think your heart/brain description is so apt. I've been trying to figure this out, too. A lot of the books I read talk about trusting your heart, i.e., your intuition, because it can 'see' things that the brain overlooks. But you are very right -- emotions can't always be trusted, and intuition is very related to emotions.

I've been trying to learn mindfulness practice, and in that, we are learning about 'wise mind.' It is the intersection of the logical and the emotional, and the purpose is to find what is the most effective in helping us achieve what we want.

You are well on your way to using your 'wise mind.'
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:16 AM   #255 (permalink)
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Wouldn't it raise a stink if they found out that he was involved with a student? Is she still a student there? There are many things wrong and unethical with a teacher being involved with a student, especially when he is married. How is she getting away with all that. I am pissed..You are way too nice for him.grr

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