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Old 04-05-2011, 05:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
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interesting.

I personally think a larger % of woman feel like she dose. It just takes them awhile to realize it.

I know a lot of women who went to colledge and then once they had babies they wanted to stay home and just be a mom. (their words not mine)
The point is to have a choice by law. Or really not to be prevented from doing what is best for themselves or their family. The point is not that all women do or should want to be high powered execs or whatever. But that they not be pigeonholed by someone else's vision of what a woman is SUPPOSED to do.
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Old 04-05-2011, 05:56 PM   #17 (permalink)
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This is ME. I have no College education. Just being a Mom. But the man is Golden, so it works.
See nice man + sahm = works is not an equation that will work for everyone as it seems gp is indicating. Self actualization for SOME people is going to involve other things that being a mother and wife. There is nothing wrong with pursuing motherhood and wifehood as a satisfying way to live. But that is not the path for everyone.
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:01 PM   #18 (permalink)
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To further expound on my political incorrectness. . .I totally 100% agree with Phyllis. . .welfare to women with children made the father irrelevant.

Why not just drop your seed and run? Father Taxpayor and Unwed Mother will raise the kids.

Like it or not, as a Moderate, I have to concede the Right has a point on this (Phyllis being the Right in this case).
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I do not think women are any closer to being truly valued then they were 50 years ago
I think one of the unforseen affects of the feminist movement was that there is a camp of women who wish to be *valued* without being *valuable*. There is nothing valuable about just being female. I find, in the workplace, being valued is directly correlated to how valuable you are. And that is exactly as it should be.

I was lucky during my stint as home schooling stay at home mom stint in that my husband perceived GREAT value to what I was bringing to the home and family, despite the need to live cheap. The value of the mother or father who raises the kids starts one home at a time.
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:06 PM   #20 (permalink)
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As far as the draft. . .women shouldn't be in combat roles, that's all. If we need to draft them to support the combatants, that's fine. I could even give a pass for female pilots.

I remember watching an episode of cops one time. . .it wasn't even about this subject. The female cop was apprehending a suspect, who had broken parole. She had him put his hands on the hood and the video camera proceeded to film the criminal then beat the female cop to a bloody pulp as he turned on her.

She then couldn't go back to work because she was "psychologically traumatized" and was at home on disability.

It was such a mismatch, I couldn't help but think that me, an "untrained male" with some old martial arts training from years ago could have handled myself better than all 110 pounds of her.

Why can't we just use common sense? Combat roles should be reserved for warriors, unless you are Zena the Warrior Princess.

In that case. . .well, I'll make an exception for Zena.
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Big business is cashing in with “Gender Neutrality”.

Young women no longer get cheaper car insurance than young men, it’s the “Gender Neutral Law” so young women have lost out even though they are proven to be very much less of a risk than young men.
This is simply not true here. Actuaries determine risk and risk determines rates.
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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As far as the draft. . .women shouldn't be in combat roles, that's all.
Tee hee. You say "that's all" and it is! Sweet!

Tell me. Why not?

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I remember watching an episode of cops one time. . .it wasn't even about this subject. The female cop was apprehending a suspect, who had broken parole. She had him put his hands on the hood and the video camera proceeded to film the criminal then beat the female cop to a bloody pulp as he turned on her.

She then couldn't go back to work because she was "psychologically traumatized" and was at home on disability.
So ... one ineffective person on a near fictional television program is the basis of your decision making?
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:47 PM   #23 (permalink)
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It was a video recording that the cops have in their car to protect suspects by documenting the arrest process. It wasn't "fictional."

Now, could have the criminal beat a male cop to a bloody pulp? For sure! But he overpowered her in less than a second. It was over. . .she was no match for him and he looked rather "average" to me in build.

I am not sure what women are trying to prove in these types of scenarios.
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:28 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Scanner,

I am a working woman.

Nowadays most men won't marry women who don't work.

Women who don't work have few places to meet men.

My husband and I met at a school where we both worked.
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:42 PM   #25 (permalink)
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On a certain level, I thank the feminists for the freedom they have brought for us. Now I am a working woman, I think I enjoy more freedom and sense of security than the time I couldn't have a stable job and always needed men's favor.

But in a home, women should know their position is to help their men, not to boss their men. Even my junior high school student knows that it is not a good idea for a woman to marry a man who makes less money than her. It will hurt the man's ego, the man might have low self-esteem, and the woman tends to be disrespectful towards him.
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It was a video recording that the cops have in their car to protect suspects by documenting the arrest process. It wasn't "fictional."
I am familiar with the show. We can disagree to the degree of how real that was if we wish.


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Now, could have the criminal beat a male cop to a bloody pulp? For sure! But he overpowered her in less than a second. It was over. . .she was no match for him and he looked rather "average" to me in build.

I am not sure what women are trying to prove in these types of scenarios.
Prove? Not a god damn thing.
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:58 PM   #27 (permalink)
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But in a home, women should know their position is to help their men, not to boss their men.
I think a family should understand itself.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:08 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I think a family should understand itself.
In a home, a man should know that his position is to love and protect his woman, not to abuse her or hurt her!
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:17 PM   #29 (permalink)
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There are so many things wrong with what you are saying. In the Great Depression, those that could afford to send a child to college sent the son as those were the ones with the greatest earning power, back then. Not wanting to send a girl these days to college because she is just going to "stay home and nurse" is just ridiculous. So going to college is a waste for a woman if she "only" wants to be a Mom? Really?
As for what higher education can do for SAHM's, as you know, I was attending a very prestigious university and got pregnant at 20. Son born at 21. I managed to get my AS. I dropped out after that. I stayed at home for years and took care of our son's needs. I have worked very hard with our oldest to help him overcome his dyslexia and speech problems. I worked with him for years and pushed him with books far beyond what he was required to read at his level. I helped him with physics homework that he had in the 10th grade that I wouldn't have known about or been able to help him with had I not attended college. Advanced calculus as well. Advanced writing and history. None of which I knew much about until college.
He is graduating in a little over a month (top 5%) and has been given a 2 year scholarship to a baby Ivy, Rice University specifically "The Harvard of the South". College of Engineering.
I guess education was wasted on me, right?
Also, if we are going to value human beings based on their earning power then I guess it would have been perfectly acceptable for my FIL and MIL to have denied my husband a college education. He was afterall a struggling dyslexic. His older brother by 18 months was the sure bet. No learning problems whatsoever. Given that money was tight for them back then, it should have been okay for them to tell my husband "so sorry, we are betting on a winner", right?
I am saddened to think there are people on this forum who view their children as monetary resources.

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Old 04-05-2011, 09:29 PM   #30 (permalink)
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At the very least, before wifey goes barefoot and pregnant, shouldn't college round out her experience of the world so she can relate to those complicated things we men face daily?

How can she possibly provide the correct level of servitude without that appreciation of what she cannot do or be?

Don't we want her to know where Libya is or know a foreign language, or about unemployment rates, or what a tax revenue deficit is in addition to where to find the best price on paper diapers?

Or do we just want her to not worry her pretty little head about such things and focus on wiping snot from young noses?

Priorities people, priorities.
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