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Old 04-06-2011, 10:26 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Education is important for both men and women.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:31 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Seriously though, I actually think market forces are going to force a change on this before anything else does.

If you have a boy and a girl and college is headed to costing nearly $300,000 for both of them. . .some choices are going to have to be made.

Uncomfortable choices perhaps based on gender and gender differences.

The ol' feminist mantra of "the sexes are equal" are about to be challenged by market forces, not by any political foe like Scannerguard, Phyllis Schafly, or the Taliban.

For those of you rolling in the money to send all of your kids to Ivy League, there is no need. Please disregard this discussion.

Someone chastized me for regarding kids as monetary resources (I think she meant monetary liabilities). Well, in the strictest sense of the word, that's what they are. Yeah, sure. . .maybe, MAYBE they'll take care of you in your old age. . .but don't count on it. Raising kids is an exercise in giving, not getting.

I guess men think about this more than women, but it costs I beleive $225,000 now to raise a boy or a girl. Add college into that and it skyrockets. Kids put you in the poor house.

Yeah, sure, in la-la land. . .everyone should get an education. . .all of the women coudl be going to college to earn their BA or their BS and as an option, their MRS. on Mommy and Daddy's dime. Oh, add a $20,000-30,000 wedding in there too.

I don't think it's going to pan out that way as per market forces.

I think what market forces are going to do, whether the forum cries about it or not, is force hard choices on families.

Blaming it on Scannerguard or the Taliban is like Wisconsin blaming the Unions for their fiscal crisis. It's a misdirection and an avoidance of what Mrs. (she apparently likes to be referred to as Mrs.) Schafly was saying:

There are differences in the genders and they are valid. They are differently anatomically (they have a penis, in case you didn't know), hormonally (lots of testosterone), socially (they hunt, not gather), economically (this discussion - their calling is to provide) and politically (they lean conservative, they are hawks, women lean liberal, they are doves).
You are correct about "market forces". More women are going to college then men. Stats from Newsweek magazine circa 2010. I guess there are parents out there who didn't think having a penis meant college is guaranteed. Perhaps they live in "la la land".
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:42 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Brennan,
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Please don't think this is a good thing.

You may not agree, but I think women respect men who have higher education than them. In a marriage, if the woman has a higher education, we can guess what kind of struggling they have. If there are more women graduate from university than men, it means that it is more difficult for some women to find men they respect.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:44 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Education is important for both men and women.
I recently read an artical that said most people would be better off investing the money saved on an education.with compounding interest 100,000 would be worth a pile of money in 30 yrs.Lots of grads can't find a job and end up working a job that dosen't even require an education.


on a side note women seem to want special rights not equal rights.

they want to earn the same (which is only fair if they do the same job and they do it just as good)

but I don't usually see to many women road workers down in the ditch they usually are holding the stop and slow signs.

they don't want to be drafted.but like the protection they get from an armed military.even in the service they get the easy job because physicaly they are weeker

how about the olympics we should have it gender neutral.I would guess not many women would win a gold medal

If you were jumping from a burning building would you want a women to catch you or a man.


if your being beat up by you chovenistic husband do you want a woman cop or a man cop comming to the house.

they still like doors to be opened for them but rearly open them for men.

maybe I'm jaded but it seem that if they ***** enough they get what they want just because they are the vocal minority.



With all that being said.........YOU SEE THAT IT's A KITCHEN NOW GET BACK IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:56 AM   #50 (permalink)
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I recently read an artical that said most people would be better off investing the money saved on an education.with compounding interest 100,000 would be worth a pile of money in 30 yrs.Lots of grads can't find a job and end up working a job that dosen't even require an education.


on a side note women seem to want special rights not equal rights.

they want to earn the same (which is only fair if they do the same job and they do it just as good)

but I don't usually see to many women road workers down in the ditch they usually are holding the stop and slow signs.

they don't want to be drafted.but like the protection they get from an armed military.even in the service they get the easy job because physicaly they are weeker

how about the olympics we should have it gender neutral.I would guess not many women would win a gold medal

If you were jumping from a burning building would you want a women to catch you or a man.


if your being beat up by you chovenistic husband do you want a woman cop or a man cop comming to the house.

they still like doors to be opened for them but rearly open them for men.

maybe I'm jaded but it seem that if they ***** enough they get what they want just because they are the vocal minority.



With all that being said.........YOU SEE THAT IT's A KITCHEN NOW GET BACK IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think learning a skill is more important than having high education. But if it means going to a university to learn a skill, then it is something we have to do.

Men can learn many different kinds of skills without a university diploma, why not.

I had to go to a university to learn a skill, and that's what I did. If I hadn't gone to a university, I wouldn't have been able to post here.

This society needs both men and women. In some area, men do a better job, in some area, women do a better job.

In a family, it is the same. If we just work together, respect each other, help each other, isn't this wonderful? Let's not argue who is better and who is worse, who gives more and who gives less, we have to agree that we both need each other.
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:01 AM   #51 (permalink)
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This thread is outrageous and inflamatory, no doubt that is how it was intended. Oozing with misogyny and your own reality.
I won't touch on what has just been said by GP and Chilly but suffice it to say, it made me sad for humanity. So many things wrong in those messages.
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:15 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I remember watching an episode of cops one time. . .it wasn't even about this subject. The female cop was apprehending a suspect, who had broken parole. She had him put his hands on the hood and the video camera proceeded to film the criminal then beat the female cop to a bloody pulp as he turned on her.

I want to be more clear here. If there are physical requirements to a job, then an applicant for that job needs to meet those requirements. But there is no decent reason to exclude *women* and then make an exception for Xena. All that is needed is for applicants to demonstrate that they can meet the criteria for the job.

Did you know that once upon a time, men could not get jobs as flight attendants? How is that fair?
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Brennan,
Trenton,

Please don't think this is a good thing.

You may not agree, but I think women respect men who have higher education than them.
God I cannot STAND your generalizations of this sort. This is a complete load of hogwash. YOU respect manly men doing manly things. (Put on women's clothing and hang around in bars...)
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but I don't usually see to many women road workers down in the ditch they usually are holding the stop and slow signs.

they don't want to be drafted.but like the protection they get from an armed military.even in the service they get the easy job because physicaly they are weeker
Do you have any idea how hard women have worked to achieve equality in the military? How hard they have fought for the right to get blown up in foxholes along with the men?

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If you were jumping from a burning building would you want a women to catch you or a man.
I would like every fire fighter to be hired or not based on their merit. Not their gender.
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I think learning a skill is more important than having high education. But if it means going to a university to learn a skill, then it is something we have to do.
The problem with higher education is what it is used for. For many people it is a piece of paper that is used to get a job. I am going to encourage my kids to get an EDUCATION, like say liberal arts, philosophy, logic, language. In that way, they can understand their world. And vote with intelligence.
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Concern Grows Over College Gender Gap

I think the kitchen reference chillymorn was making, were his wife's words to him ...

I LOL'd.

I have no dog in the feminism vs. anti-feminism fight. But I am content proclaiming that the waters remain rather 'muddy' at this point.

I was far more domestic than my wife. I do not say that with any sense of pride whatsoever.
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Concern Grows Over College Gender Gap

I think the kitchen reference chillymorn was making, were his wife's words to him ...

I LOL'd.

I have no dog in the feminism vs. anti-feminism fight. But I am content proclaiming that the waters remain rather 'muddy' at this point.

I was far more domestic than my wife. I do not say that with any sense of pride whatsoever.
Nothing wrong with being domestic, Deejo. A man who can cook (well) is highly valued, to me at least.
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