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I've read that they are changing their tune on this. Will try to dig it up, but it was something along the lines of saying that in fact when you let them swing free, the tissue remains stronger and firmer for longer ... and that because a well made bra supports so well, the tissues become weaker and saggier ...

ETA: Here's a couple of starter articles I found.
Do Women Need Bras? French Study Says Brassieres Are A 'False Necessity' | The Huffington Post
Finally, experts agree going braless is better for you
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Conducting the study at the university’s hospital, Rouillon measured and examined the breasts of more than 300 women, aged 18 and 35, taking note of how the additional support provided by bras affects the body over time. (It should be noted the study does not mention breast size.)

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Only 300 women, only up to age 35...and most importantly, breast size was not mentioned.

I think we can see the effects of wearing no bra on millions of women who either culturally or as an individual chose not to wear one, as far as gravity and sagging. I wouldn't believe a study like the above unless it could conclude that a larger breasted woman (or who have breasts of a certain weight or more) would not sag MORE over time (and age 35 is not old enough to determine this) if they rarely wore a bra. I don't know how they could conduct such a study other than with identical twins, one who did and one who didn't wear a bra, through age 50.

In the study linked, there is no way to know how these women's breasts would have ended up if they were in the opposite control group.

But again for me...all we have to do is look at pictures of tribal women to know what happens to breasts that are never supported.


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I am very insecure about my breast size. Never been properly fitted for a bra but I wear a 34a and it's a little snug. So maybe a small b or I need to try a 36a
It's funny this thread showed up in my feed today because I was checking out about cosmetic surgery.
I'm 34 today, living with small boobs my whole life, and don't know if i can take the plunge to make them bigger. Scared they'll look too "fake".
When me and hubs have sex my shirt is always on and he doesn't tell me to take it off so I always think he doesn't like them making me feel more self conscious about them
I've always wanted boobs that flop around when having sex haha! Guess you always want what you don't have!!



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I'm right there with you @NikB
And I'm sure your hubby loves your breasts he just thinks your uncomfortable.
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I once dated a woman with tiny breasts.

They were the prettiest breasts ever.

I dated another girl with breasts that were over 60 inches.

They were the prettiest breasts ever.

My wife has medium sized breasts.

They are the prettiest breasts ever.

It's who they belong to I think.


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Conducting the study at the university’s hospital, Rouillon measured and examined the breasts of more than 300 women, aged 18 and 35, taking note of how the additional support provided by bras affects the body over time. (It should be noted the study does not mention breast size.)

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Only 300 women, only up to age 35...and most importantly, breast size was not mentioned.

I think we can see the effects of wearing no bra on millions of women who either culturally or as an individual chose not to wear one, as far as gravity and sagging. I wouldn't believe a study like the above unless it could conclude that a larger breasted woman (or who have breasts of a certain weight or more) would not sag MORE over time (and age 35 is not old enough to determine this) if they rarely wore a bra. I don't know how they could conduct such a study other than with identical twins, one who did and one who didn't wear a bra, through age 50.

In the study linked, there is no way to know how these women's breasts would have ended up if they were in the opposite control group.

But again for me...all we have to do is look at pictures of tribal women to know what happens to breasts that are never supported.
Agreed that we can't necessarily make too much of the study I linked to there. But I also think the whole bras prevent sagging is also based on just anecdotal evidence.

Admittedly, I have my biases. I've always been one to prefer to go bra-less or to just use soft bras that offer no real support. I've always hated the underwires and other torture devices that bra makers have invented for larger sizes.

And also admittedly, I do sag. But at age 50, the sag is no more than it was when I was 15 years old. So while my breasts have never been beautiful, they actually haven't changed much in the decades that I've neglected to support them.

Of course, I am just a sample size of 1. But I have also seen the effects of always wearing a supportive bra on other women and the results are not always as pretty as the woman you cited in your earlier post. My guess is that genetics plus a whole bunch of factors go into breast shape, look, and eventual sagging.

Personally, I'm still committed to avoiding bras whenever and wherever possible. Am not saying that others should follow my example, as women are free to do whatever they want. I'm just offering a different perspective

ETA: This is a link to a blog post that makes some interesting points and argues that there is no real evidence supporting claims that wearing a bra prevents sagging: For the Last Time, "Tribal African Women" Are Not Proof That Bras Prevent Breast Sagging I The Lingerie Addict

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I am very insecure about my breast size. Never been properly fitted for a bra but I wear a 34a and it's a little snug. So maybe a small b or I need to try a 36a
It's funny this thread showed up in my feed today because I was checking out about cosmetic surgery.
I'm 34 today, living with small boobs my whole life, and don't know if i can take the plunge to make them bigger. Scared they'll look too "fake".
When me and hubs have sex my shirt is always on and he doesn't tell me to take it off so I always think he doesn't like them making me feel more self conscious about them
I've always wanted boobs that flop around when having sex haha! Guess you always want what you don't have!!



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I used to wear a 34a until I got a fitting. Turns out I'm 32c. Little difference in the bra's cup size but major difference in comfort.

If it doesn't feel right, chances are it's not. Try getting fitted one day, it might make a big difference for you.
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Agreed that we can't necessarily make too much of the study I linked to there. But I also think the whole bras prevent sagging is also based on just anecdotal evidence.

Admittedly, I have my biases. I've always been one to prefer to go bra-less or to just use soft bras that offer no real support. I've always hated the underwires and other torture devices that bra makers have invented for larger sizes.

And also admittedly, I do sag. But at age 50, the sag is no more than it was when I was 15 years old. So while my breasts have never been beautiful, they actually haven't changed much in the decades that I've neglected to support them.

Of course, I am just a sample size of 1. But I have also seen the effects of always wearing a supportive bra on other women and the results are not always as pretty as the woman you cited in your earlier post. My guess is that genetics plus a whole bunch of factors go into breast shape, look, and eventual sagging.

Personally, I'm still committed to avoiding bras whenever and wherever possible. Am not saying that others should follow my example, as women are free to do whatever they want. I'm just offering a different perspective

ETA: This is a link to a blog post that makes some interesting points and argues that there is no real evidence supporting claims that wearing a bra prevents sagging: For the Last Time, "Tribal African Women" Are Not Proof That Bras Prevent Breast Sagging I The Lingerie Addict
Her article argued that we can't know if there is causation from bra wearing, but we also cannot know that there isn't. And true, it is possibly irrelevant to point to tribal women as examples, but I am also considering all the hippie chicks I know, and how their breasts seem to be holding up.

Gravity is what it is, and gravity is what causes any type of sagging. The tissues surrounding and holding the breasts up will be affected by gravity over time, and this is true not only for breasts but also for butts, testicles, and any other part of your body that can be pulled on by gravity. Our tissues and muscles and tendons are affected by age as we are also slowly affected by gravity, and thus most older women have some sag to their breasts, even if tiny breasts. Then of course pregnancy, weight gain, all the other things this article mentioned....totally true as well.

But I know if I have an orange hanging in a sock, over time that sock is going to give way to the weight of the orange. Ok, so breast tissue, tendons, muscles, etc. aren't socks. But they will still heed to gravity, no question about it. Gravity always wins. Now if I put the orange in a sock in a bra and hang the bra up, the sock will stretch out much slower or maybe none at all.

I can feel the weight of my breasts trying to pull them down. That's why the damn bras are so uncomfortable, by having to redistribute all that weight. But I'm thoroughly convinced wearing them has made a huge difference in my breasts compared to how they might have been. I'm too busty to go braless, and can't really go to work in most thin bras because nipples show through. Trust me, it is a pain in the ass to me...I don't like it at all (except I do love pretty bras, but most of mine are just utilities because they don't make that many well constructed ones that are pretty) (IMO Victoria's Secret's prettier bras are never well constructed). So I get your choice too, and perhaps there really is no difference.

At this point I'm old enough that I feel I've staved off gravity as well as I can and am really happy with my results...and I do find excuses to be braless or in a skimpy simple bra more and more often now.

I still don't like when my nipples show through anything I'm wearing when I'm in public though. Its just like wearing a sign around my neck or something. Not sure what the sign says but apparently "CHECK OUT MY CHEST!" or similar.

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This is where being with another woman is simply awesome. We don't expect perfect cantaloupe half bosoms.
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I still don't like when my nipples show through anything I'm wearing when I'm in public though. Its just like wearing a sign around my neck or something. Not sure what the sign says but apparently "CHECK OUT MY CHEST!" or similar.
LOL!

That sign is probably the main reason I bother with a bra at all.

I've been told umpteen times that a woman with my size must absolutely have bones or underwires or ribs, molding, maybe a gazillion yards of fabric or she will look terrible and can only get worse. And for a while in my youth I believed this, and itried every style imaginable, fittings, yada, yada. But it all felt restrictive and tight, and always made out of sweaty and unpleasant fabrics, with super obvious even through clothes padding and shaping. Blech!

All those lovely silks and cottons? They don't make them in my size.

I hear what you are saying about gravity, but what I found interesting about the blog was her point that there really is no research that confirms that bras actually do prevent sag, and that the factors that have the most effect on breast sag seem to be pregnancy, weight loss, age, and so on. And that both women who wear good bras and those who don't are both sometimes saggy and sometimes not.

To me it's liberating. Bra-wise, at least.

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OP, I wish you had attached a poll to this forum. I am pleasantly surprised by the number of women who are unhappy with their breasts. I assumed only the women at the extremes (super small and super large) were dissatisfied.

I wonder to what extent advertising and the male preference for large, perky busts, are responsible for that. Also, does country/culture impact women's satisfaction with their breasts? In Caribbean culture, tastes differ significantly from European for example. Men here love thicker women, not thick and firm either, thick and a little jiggly with a some stretchmarks seems to be the preference. And of course it's all about the booty, not much emphasis on boobs.

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I wonder to what extent advertising and the male preference for large, perky busts, are responsible for that. Also, does country/culture impact women's satisfaction with their breasts?
This is just my personal experience, but I never thought twice about my breasts until the boys started making a big deal out of them, making fun of them, telling me how they ought to be, how I ought to look after them, poking and grabbing at them, and so on.. This made me very, very self conscious, and from there I developed an array of body image issues -- all reinforced by both men and women, media, and society at large.

Nowadays I prefer to just be "in" my body and not think about how it looks to others. How I feel is very different when I just go with my perspective of how I feel instead of caring what others think or how I look.
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This is just my personal experience, but I never thought twice about my breasts until the boys started making a big deal out of them, making fun of them, telling me how they ought to be, how I ought to look after them, poking and grabbing at them, and so on.. This made me very, very self conscious, and from there I developed an array of body image issues -- all reinforced by both men and women, media, and society at large.

Nowadays I prefer to just be "in" my body and not think about how it looks to others. How I feel is very different when I just go with my perspective of how I feel instead of caring what others think or how I look.
I too recall being very self conscious about them when they were just growing out and for most of my teenage years after. They've always been incredibly small and I was very uncomfortable with that. Thankfully I went to an all girls high school so I never got teased at school, only once or twice on the street by older men.

I distinctly recall the experience that changed the way I related to them however. I went to a club and noticed a fellow female student who was a couple years ahead of me. She was strutting around bra-less under a lightweight top. Her breasts weren't much bigger than mine. I remember asking my male friends what they thought of it and one remarked that he actually preferred much bigger breasts but he found women who were confident in their skin simply irresistible.

That had a profound effect on me. I've loved my girls ever since and haven't been shy about it. I'm sure the cultural focus on butts has also helped. It's easy to improve the shape and size of that with a bit of a workout that has so much other added benefits.

I can't help but feel a little sad that the trend here seems to point to a general dissatisfaction with breast size/shape. It makes me worry that this will be the fate of my nieces and my potential future daughter(s).
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Despite the common mythology, many men do not prefer larger breasts. I don't. Really, not at all. In fact I find very large breasts to be a bit of a turn-off because they look uncomfortable (especially when "flopping around". Breasts are part of the entire appearance of a woman and depending on her build, the optimum size may be very different.

Of course there are some men with a distinct preference for large breasts, but also some with a preference for small, and some who really don't care at all.

I don't know what your husband likes, but I would not read anything into his not telling you to take your shirt off. Maybe he knows you are shy? Maybe he finds a woman wearing a shirt and nothing else to be really enticing - its a form of lingerie.

Has he said anything or acted in a way that indicates that he doesn't like your breasts?

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I am very insecure about my breast size. Never been properly fitted for a bra but I wear a 34a and it's a little snug. So maybe a small b or I need to try a 36a
It's funny this thread showed up in my feed today because I was checking out about cosmetic surgery.
I'm 34 today, living with small boobs my whole life, and don't know if i can take the plunge to make them bigger. Scared they'll look too "fake".
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Despite the common mythology, many men do not prefer larger breasts. I don't. Really, not at all. In fact I find very large breasts to be a bit of a turn-off because they look uncomfortable (especially when "flopping around". Breasts are part of the entire appearance of a woman and depending on her build, the optimum size may be very different.

Of course there are some men with a distinct preference for large breasts, but also some with a preference for small, and some who really don't care at all.

I don't know what your husband likes, but I would not read anything into his not telling you to take your shirt off. Maybe he knows you are shy? Maybe he finds a woman wearing a shirt and nothing else to be really enticing - its a form of lingerie.

Has he said anything or acted in a way that indicates that he doesn't like your breasts?
Agree with this - it has to be proportional to the body. I know a couple of women who have very large boobs and it's not attractive. However, if it's proportional to her body, then it's hot. Ex's boobs were proportional to her body - she is what you'd call well-endowed, but not overboard (I found them just perfect). We also have a neighbor/friend who's a petite little thing - she's not well-endowed, but it fits her body. If she had large boobs, it would not look good.

As for enhancements, I find that a turn-off. Needs to be natural, IMO.
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Despite the common mythology, many men do not prefer larger breasts. I don't. Really, not at all. In fact I find very large breasts to be a bit of a turn-off because they look uncomfortable (especially when "flopping around". Breasts are part of the entire appearance of a woman and depending on her build, the optimum size may be very different.



Of course there are some men with a distinct preference for large breasts, but also some with a preference for small, and some who really don't care at all.



I don't know what your husband likes, but I would not read anything into his not telling you to take your shirt off. Maybe he knows you are shy? Maybe he finds a woman wearing a shirt and nothing else to be really enticing - its a form of lingerie.



Has he said anything or acted in a way that indicates that he doesn't like your breasts?


No he hasn't. He plays with them a lot and asks me to flash him which I do oblige. It's just my own insecurities and I don't think he knows how much the size bothers me. I don't like the look of fake boobs either but it's just something I can't get past right now for some reason


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