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Old 01-09-2012, 09:59 PM   #376 (permalink)
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Trenton, please tell how justice scales apply to weather.
They only apply to one another in that they both seek balance. Simplest example, the clouds get filled with moisture and it rains to re-create equilibrium in the atmosphere.

In justice a simple example is malpractice lawsuits that are born out of injustice to those who endured pain and suffering unfairly at the hands of another. Years later frivolous lawsuits create imbalance in the system again and a new voice emerges that calls for an end to frivolous lawsuits. New laws are created to restore equilibrium.

So justice scales don't apply to weather but the concept they represent does.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:03 PM   #377 (permalink)
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Yep, I see how that applies to law suits.

Weather analogy sucks/fails.

After last years bitter winter, this one has been mild so far. I atribute that to the law of averages, not the scales of justice. BBBBBUUUUTTTT WINTER ain't over yet.... The lakes aren't froze over yet.

Oh, keep the long hair. I thought about responding to your post about the subject, but decided it was a womans' discussion and stayed out. You have a lovely long face and the short haircut would cause it to appear horse like. Not saying you look like a horse, but a short haircut would/could cause that effect.

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Old 01-09-2012, 10:13 PM   #378 (permalink)
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Yep, I see how that applies to law suits.

Weather analogy sucks/fails.

After last years bitter winter, this one has been mild so far. I atrubute that to the law of averages, not the scales of justice. BUTTTT WINTER ain't over yet....
It doesn't suck...it rains.

Here, you can read this The balance of nature?: ecological issues in the conservation of species and ... - Stuart Leonard Pimm - Google Books

I don't think we can really see the big picture at times when we're too stuck in a tiny part of it.
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Anyone here besides me ever sue a doctor? It's pretty hard to do. If you think cops have a blue wall of silence, doctors are worse. And my wife is a non practicing pit bull arm breaker of a lawyer who once caused a traffic accident and then proceeded to browbeat the cop WHO SAW IT HAPPEN into charging the other person with the accident. Suing a doctor is extremely tough, we've tried it and were only partially successful.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:28 PM   #380 (permalink)
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Yeah, read that before, good opinion.

It does suck here when the lakes aren't froze, then it snows hardcore...lake effect

I was thinking and joking with locals and we all agreed. If this global warming, we like it.
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:33 PM   #381 (permalink)
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Anyone here besides me ever sue a doctor? It's pretty hard to do. If you think cops have a blue wall of silence, doctors are worse. And my wife is a non practicing pit bull arm breaker of a lawyer who once caused a traffic accident and then proceeded to browbeat the cop WHO SAW IT HAPPEN into charging the other person with the accident. Suing a doctor is extremely tough, we've tried it and were only partially successful.
I've not sued anyone.

I did work for an Obstetrician years and years ago who had crazy high malpractice insurance; however, and he was never sued before.

I wish someone would fight to re-balance the health insurance industry and I'm equally hopeful it won't be nationalizing healthcare, forcing us to all purchase insurance at a sliding scale that is still less than affordable or be fined.
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Ironic that the vibrator was invented by a man. Hmmm...

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Old 01-09-2012, 10:46 PM   #383 (permalink)
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Weird thing about climate predictions, they change just as the world does, but quicker. Back in the 1970's many scientists thought the world was heading for another ice age. Now they say we will melt.

Good thing they weren't around when the continents were splitting up and the dinos died. Yes, there are things humans do to adversely affect the enviroment. Other than a new power source the only way is to reduce the number of humans on the Earth.

OK, now I took this thread off to another tangent, let's get back on topic....

...Men aren't acting manly anymore
Why aren't we men?
Last time I checked I still have man equipment
So the question must concern or actions.

How are men supposed to act?
Sometimes I get confused, then I think of grandpa...and it's clear again.
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Ironic that the vibrator was invented by a man. Hmmm...

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Yes it is!!! LOL

Did a woman invent the blue pills?
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:51 PM   #385 (permalink)
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Oh, early on only male Drs owned vibs.

Men sent their women there, then word of mouth spread about the "theraputic benefits" of vibs. LOL
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:09 PM   #386 (permalink)
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I think men and women have complained about each other since the dawn of time. In my mind it is a Ying Yang thing

Men are still men and women are still women. Societies defination changes of the role genders play, or should play, andthe Ying Yang ball keeps rolling along.

Trentons idea of scales makes sence in this. when relations get top heavy {good boob job joke here but ain't gong there), things flip over and correct themselves.

SAHM and SAHD are often devaluated in our society, but a good nanny is a find. Just my observation
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Old 01-10-2012, 03:01 AM   #387 (permalink)
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I cannot say why. This list of complaints does not apply to anyone in my family (large) or my friends (many). So I have no basis to comment.

I've only known one guy who was content to let his wife support the family (ex in-law), but even he was smart enough to be passive and not try to call all the shots.

I dunno if you are extrapolating to men in general based on your husband in particular. My ex-wife was a complete a-hole who mostly tried to manipulate and bait-and-switch me, so I know it's easy to fall into that pattern of thinking. But, it's not healthy and thinking like that will impact how you view and deal with everyone around you.
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Anyone here besides me ever sue a doctor? It's pretty hard to do. If you think cops have a blue wall of silence, doctors are worse. And my wife is a non practicing pit bull arm breaker of a lawyer who once caused a traffic accident and then proceeded to browbeat the cop WHO SAW IT HAPPEN into charging the other person with the accident. Suing a doctor is extremely tough, we've tried it and were only partially successful.
Well, since the thread is totally lost, I'll say that my parents tried to sue a doctor on my behalf, when I was twelve. Went in to the hosital for appendicitis. Went home a few days later and things got dicey. My appendix had already ruptured (can you say massive abdominal infection?). Lost consciousness while my mom was working, and stayed so for almost a month. Oddly, I remembered waking briefly while a nurse was bringing a cake into the room for the nations's bicentennial (for the parents), then another time when it was storming, and my grandmother had brought in an elder from her people. I woke briefly as he was chanting (a native american healing call). With lightening flashing, and the old man in traditional dress, I was sure that I had already passed on. My parents said that I was in a coma due to stopping breathing when I first got sick, so they didn't believe me when I said that I had awoken twice. When my parents tried to sue, they found out that the doctor was dying of cancer. He passed before the first hearing. Oddly, I also got hepatitis in that backwoods hospital.
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Abraham Lincoln had a great quote: "“You have to do your own growing no matter how tall your grandfather was.”

At some point, as an adult, every excuse that you have that you think "holds you back" - such as how you were raised, your mother, your father, lack thereof, whatever - is just that - an excuse.

So, if men have indeed stopped being men (which I dispute, at least for the men I have mostly encountered in my life), then it is men themselves that are holding themselves back and down. Nobody else can do it. We are all responsible for ourselves, and can overcome many things if we persevere and refuse to live with excuses.
I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with you. I agree that at some age a male takes on total responsibility for his life, both the successes and failures. I think for some it happens at an early age, others at a late age and others all ages in-between. For example my mother took half from my very first wage packet, I was sixteen at the time. So from that time on I had “financial responsibility” kind of hoisted on me. I did feel hard done by at the time but looking back it was the right thing for my parents to do. Financial responsibility can come to others at age 25 and beyond.

So from a very young age I learnt to pay my way. And I carried that on all the way through my life. My parents never owed anyone a penny and they always kept their expenditure lower than their income. If they wanted something they saved money to purchase it. I didn’t follow that one as I borrowed to pay for my homes. So as far as financial responsibility is concerned both my mother and father were exceptionally good examples and in that way teachers, the very best way to teach!


But within the context of financial responsibility I do wonder about today’s parents and the micro and macro societies boys and young men actually live in. Just what examples are there of good fiscal management and responsibility?

I think in many areas bad financial management has become the norm. And it’s basically down to people buying what they don’t have the money to pay for! Some of them are in massive amounts of personal debt, even those in their 50s who should be well on their way to a financially healthy retirement are carrying personal debts in the £10,000s and they wont be paying off their mortgage, if they ever do, until they are 65. And if they do get into trouble here in the UK the government will step in and help them out.



Fiscal management? The banks have got it wrong, governments have got it wrong, Europe and the US have got it wrong!!! The latter three do things they can’t afford to do and they keep on doing them (and it’s heading for disaster).

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Sometimes there are spin offs on other threads. I'm surprised no one has started a thread about "When did women stop being women." And before someone asks, No I will not be that thread starter. I'm simply saying, I'm surprised someone else hasn't.
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