"He also says that women value such assets in a man, whereas men value the physical attributes more."
YES....I *KNOW* he says this. And I am saying I disagree with him. I am saying I know that men value assets besides the physical to a much higher degree than AK seems to think...and I am also saying that women value the physical attractiveness of a man to a much higher degree than AK seems to think.
I am only stating my opinion here. And bantering along with others. I have read his book and much of the blog and I have contributed to his forum. I understand what he thinks and says.
I just disagree.
I am not saying anyone should agree with me. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. I am simply enjoying the posts.
YES....I *KNOW* he says this. And I am saying I disagree with him. I am saying I know that men value assets besides the physical to a much higher degree than AK seems to think...and I am also saying that women value the physical attractiveness of a man to a much higher degree than AK seems to think.
An important distinction here though is are you talking about men in LTRs or marriage or just men in general? Athol definitely recognizes the man's ability to value much more than the physical and it tends to happen to men in relationships. Think of the physical as being the initial incentive to initiate a relationship and then other attributes to stimulate the oxytocin.
And he wouldn't disagree with you about how important physical attractiveness of men is. I lurk the forums there and he's currently rewriting MMSL. It sounds like he's making sure to emphasize how important physical attributes on men are. The first phase of the MAP currently is getting into shape and he even feels that he didn't hammer that point enough.
I owe AK much. I learned much from his book. He is also validated that one can indeed keep falling in love again and again.
Sex Rank absolutley does exist.
AMOGs exist.
Brain chemicals do influence us greatly. I have first hand knowlegde of this.
Like anything in life if you can grab just one positive tid bit from the book / blog then it is a wondermous thing.
Few books for men are so positive as it relates to encouraging men to make their marriages better.
Athol only packaged information in an entertaining format for men.
Few things are as positive as someone who wants to bring more passion to their primary relationship. How could a wife complain?
There are endless resources for women.
Oh and I only came to TAM because Athol mentioned it. So people blame him for .... me. LOL.
A man who has physically let himself go will benefit from heavy resistence training. His T levels will go up. Hos appearance will improve. He will thnk more clearly. He will be more CONFIDENT and assertive. His display of value goes ... up.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
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A man will value his wife well beyond the physical. This is part of the dilemma. The man who really cares about a woman may end up losing out to the guy that just wants bang her a time or two.
But here is the key. EAs aside the guys that want to bang your wife are mostly interested in her SR.
Women can increase their SR by showing more skin or by being more sexual.
Athol is also dead on some wives losing their attraction for guys becoming overly Beta. It takes a balance to be a quality man. Men lose their edge for various reasons.
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Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
"Women can increase their SR by showing more skin or by being more sexual."
Yes, again, I understand this is what AK believes. Only something sexual or physical will increase a woman's SR, but in the case of men, power, money, maturity, etc. increase his SR.
Do you think I need to hear you re-frame it several more times, and then I will suddenly understand something new about what he is saying?
I get it. I understand what he is saying.
I just disagree.
Even if the entire population agreed with HIM, I would still disagree. It is a matter of opinion, not fact, we are dealing with.
I am glad you were helped by him and I understand thousands of men have been as well.
A book written by a man about how men only get better
What else could he say...
He's trying to turn a profit.
It's encouraging for an, ahem, older gentleman, to believe that his 40-something wife NEEDS him because she's gone bad, while he is still a hot rod that's only getting hotter.
That sounds freakin awesome to most guys and it sells.
Why wouldn't it?
The reality is that every woman under I don't know 60, has a higher sex rank than the majority of all men.
Put a relatively fit 50-something woman in a nice skirt, heels and perfume, and she can walk into a bar/club/restaraunt and get more numbers than a fit 25 year old guy in those same scenarios, and she would certainly do better than a 50-something man in those same scenarios.
Athol is doing what sells,
But he's being quite irresponsible imo.
Convincing a man that his wife needs him more than he needs her,
Without clarifying that she can bed 5 different, younger, fitter men at pactically a moments notice, may get a lot of husbands in trouble. Posted via Mobile Device
A man who has physically let himself go will benefit from heavy resistence training. His T levels will go up. Hos appearance will improve. He will thnk more clearly. He will be more CONFIDENT and assertive. His display of value goes ... up.
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Lots of men , especially older ones don't realize the only difference between them and younger guys in bed is the testosterone levels.
If,
You want to be better in bed.
You want to maintain firmness in erection.
You want to control PE.
You want to fix ED.
Then you need to stop the excessive smoking & drinking . Eat clean ,hit the gym , get that belly down, hit the squat racks, pump some irons, get some callouses on your hands and bruises on your shins from deadlifting......
This would naturally jack your test levels , sex drive and penis up.
And your woman would thank you for it in bed later.
A book written by a man about how men only get better
What else could he say...
He's trying to turn a profit.
It's encouraging for an, ahem, older gentleman, to believe that his 40-something wife NEEDS him because she's gone bad, while he is still a hot rod that's only getting hotter.
That sounds freakin awesome to most guys and it sells.
Why wouldn't it?
The reality is that every woman under I don't know 60, has a higher sex rank than the majority of all men.
Put a relatively fit 50-something woman in a nice skirt, heels and perfume, and she can walk into a bar/club/restaraunt and get more numbers than a fit 25 year old guy in those same scenarios, and she would certainly do better than a 50-something man in those same scenarios.
Athol is doing what sells,
But he's being quite irresponsible imo.
Convincing a man that his wife needs him more than he needs her,
Without clarifying that she can bed 5 different, younger, fitter men at pactically a moments notice, may get a lot of husbands in trouble. Posted via Mobile Device
Wow. I hope someday you can let this hate go. Seriously. It is not healthy. I am not convinced you are actually female though. Shhhhh. Our little secret.
I do agree with the fact that an average woman could walk into a place where people hookup and could have sex that night with most of the men if she wanted to. Athol said the same thing when he defined sex rank in his book.
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Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
Convincing a man that his wife needs him more than he needs her,
Without clarifying that she can bed 5 different, younger, fitter men at pactically a moments notice, may get a lot of husbands in trouble. Posted via Mobile Device
And convincing those five younger, fitter men to stick with her after the sex when a girl half her age comes around would most definitely,
Hate for whom?
I don't even know any of you all...
I certainly don't hate you
Oh lordy, the ol' she's not a woman comment.
Get's me everytime
I'll have to check later, just to be sure
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Originally Posted by Entropy3000
Wow. I hope someday you can let this hate go. Seriously. It is not healthy.
I do agree with the fact that an average woman could walk into a place where people hookup and could have sex that night with most of the men if she wanted to. Athol said the same thing.
"Women can increase their SR by showing more skin or by being more sexual."
Yes, again, I understand this is what AK believes. Only something sexual or physical will increase a woman's SR, but in the case of men, power, money, maturity, etc. increase his SR.
Do you think I need to hear you re-frame it several more times, and then I will suddenly understand something new about what he is saying?
I get it. I understand what he is saying.
I just disagree.
Even if the entire population agreed with HIM, I would still disagree. It is a matter of opinion, not fact, we are dealing with.
I am glad you were helped by him and I understand thousands of men have been as well.
I have no idea what you need or do not need to hear? That is on you. But I was not just repeating what he said. I am telling you that there are various things a woman can do to increase her sex rank. You did'nt see me say that those were the only things.
The knock on Athol throughout the years Faithful Wife is that he does not deliver everything in his book. No book does. A book has great value if it can bring one good takeaway. The book cost me the same as a few beers. I got more out of the book than the beers.
But I am telling from my own experiences much of what he writes is very true.
Most men are not interested sexually in a woman who makes a lot of money. Now there certainly are guys who like being dominated and even the fetish stuff. But guys are going to first hone in on the physical. The radar is up. It si not even a conscious thing. But the right jiggle the right flash of skin will draw a second look.
We are talking about what sells.
Now if you want to contend that you are the same with men then fine.
Pre-selection also works very well.
Yes, women do like the pool guy sexually. But I also have seen through my whole life women going nutso over the well dressed guy with ... power and charisma. Perhaps she wants him to finance her while she bangs the pool boy.
Look men are absolutely clueless about women in general. So what Athol has brought is to a starving mass of men in need of some real information or at least a different veiw from what they are fed constantly.
__________________
Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
Last edited by Entropy3000; 02-27-2013 at 11:19 PM.
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