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Are we ever really a former betrayed spouse? That's not the question, and yet it sort of is, but it's more complicated.

Something is bothering me and I am asking for some help and opinions.

I was talking with an older gentleman who told me his wife cheated on him about twenty years ago. He ended up divorcing and lost a portion of his retirement. He even retired early, since his wife was seeing someone where he worked. I suppose like others, he was terribly humiliated.

He has since found it within himself to date. He talks about having a girlfriend and her "demands". He says she always wants him with her and he half-heartedly complains about it, then talks about what a nice time he had. He told me she sees other men and then seems to want him to show some jealousy. He also said he dates other women.

He asked why I would not want to do the same.

I told him that when I think about what he has to say, I feel like I would be doing the very same thing my ex-wife was doing, that I loathed.

I know it's not the same as infidelity, since none of them is married. For me, it feels very similar and I told him that I might as well have stayed married to a cheating wife because that's basically what his girlfriend is doing. I also told him it seems he has learned to do the very thing that broke his heart and made him divorce. He could have just stayed married. If he is okay with his girlfriend multi-dating, why not his wife? Do you understand my confusion?

Obviously, like most divorcee's, he held up his part of the marriage. Whatever...that's not the issue.

How do you feel about this, or how did you feel before you started dating? Keep in mind, I have never been a dater, or multi-dater, I suppose is the term. I am more of a one woman man, even in dating. I want to work through one relationship at a time, or one dater. Not that it will happen any time soon for me. I just want to understand a little better, if possible.

I have to assume a few things from the lack of responses with over 150 views.

1) I wasn't clear in my questions and no one really understands.

2) Very few have these feelings/beliefs.

3) The answers to the question(s) might make someone look bad.

4) You think this question is so simple, you don't understand why anyone would ask.

5) Something else, though I don't know what that could be.


This isn't a test or lesson I want to teach. It's not a game. It's not a sparring match. That doesn't mean threads don't easily go that way. It just means I really am confused and need some help to understand. If it is so controversial no one wants to answer, I didn't realize it. I just laid bare my soul and went for it, because even those I disagree with have given me perspective.

I will likely bring this up with my counselor, so there is no real pressure. Sometimes it feels good to understand and relieves burdens I needlessly place on myself. The biggest problem is usually that we are all so different and come from such different lives and backgrounds, it's tough to find an answer that is acceptable. Maybe that's really the problem? Maybe there really is no issue? It's just there are so few folks who think like me left in the world? I don't know. That's part of the reason I'm asking.

In other words, am I that screwed up or is this normal for some? Is it something I need to work on or is it just the way some folks believe, whether common or not in the U.S.?

I hope that makes it a little more clear and produces some responses. I don't know how else to word it. I'm just being as truthful as possible, right or wrong, hurtful or not, pc or not. I do that quite a bit here. Sometimes, I even will answer controversially when I know some anger will sometimes bring out truth. Discovering issues is the first part of changing and healing.

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It sounds like you are looking for a committed relationship and he is not. Maybe he feels "safer" seeing a woman who is not monogamous, who knows. That way,,he knows upfront he is not the only man in her life. People react differently to having had a cheating spouse and the effects can last a lifetime.

If you are seeking a monogamous relationship...I would look elsewhere. Plenty of men are looking for the same, despite how it seems sometimes.
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I tink this is a very individual thing. Some people prefer multi-dating. Some don't. One size doesn't fit all.

For myself, I've found I'm not very good at it.

The key in dating is to be honest about what you want and are ok with. If you aren't into multi-dating you can tell the person up front. Then if they are, you can decide to cut it off if that's what you want.
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2ntnuf, I think your question is very interesting.

STBXH and I are now separated, he's continuing in his relationship with the OW as far as I know (I really try never to ask about her. I kind of like to pretend she doesn't exist - she is not living with him yet, as she will have to move from another state to do that, so I can deny her existence to myself for a while longer).

I've wondered if I'll find someone I can trust again at this point. I don't dwell on it much, because I'm still trying to fully heal and get to where I truly just don't care what he does anymore before I launch into anything with someone new.

I'm a one man woman. When I was in college and the year before I met my STBXH, I was serially monogamous. Had my heart broken by a couple of guys during that period who, after 3-6 months, wanted "to see other people," and ending up marrying the next girl they ended up seeing.

I sometimes think the only men I'll be able to trust again are other BS's who want to be monogamous, and who are divorced and have healed. I've never had any interest in multi-dating. I'm not co-dependent - I'm quite independent, actually, and definitely not clingy. But I do equate sex with love and don't want to have it just to have it with no emotional attachment behind it. I think those who can sleep with multiple partners must be remaining emotionally detached from them. I can't do that.
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I'm divorced from a man I found out had been serially cheating on me for pretty much our entire 15+ year marriage.

I actually will "multi-date", but only for the first couple of dates with anyone. If it goes further than 2-3 dates with a guy, I stop seeing other people until we've figured out if it's going anywhere. I do not sleep with more than one person at a time. I like sex, but I only want to have it in the context of an exclusive relationship with a man I care about and can see the possibility of a future with.

So, basically, I'm looking for a relationship, not just something casual. I don't do friends with benefits or NSA sex. I have no issues if others want to pursue those types of arrangements. It's just not what I'm looking for.

2ntnuf, I suspect your friend remains deeply scarred by what happened in his marriage. Perhaps he hasn't fully healed. Or, he may simply no longer be capable of the trust and emotional vulnerability required for an exclusive relationship. In any case, he seems to have chosen to not even try for one. What he has with his girlfriend may be all he wants, or all he's capable of now. I may think that's sad, but it's apparently working for him at this time.

Personally, I choose to not allow who my ex-husband turned out to be to dictate how I live my life. As you say, if I was okay being with someone who was emotionally unavailable and sleeping with other people, I could have stayed married and kept my house and half my money. I choose to believe that there are good men out there who don't cheat, who love and respect their partners. That's what I'm looking for when I date. I don't want a casual or open relationship. So I don't date men who want that, since we'd be incompatible.
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That. Both in her view of your friend and the questions you posed as well as how I feel about dating and relationships.

He doesn't want to feel vulnerable emotionally or financially. He'll never have what you are looking for by doing that, though.


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Some people position themselves to serial dating for several reasons. They could be scared to

connect deeply with another person, may not feel the reward is worth the risk, some after a 15-20-25 year M....

feel it just isn't in the cards for them. Mom and pop's parents were married till death, my parents

were (well it took them getting M twice ) married till death, my two older aunts were.

As I grew up... once M, always M.... fight it out. Well times.... they do a' change.

The months leading up to me meeting 1st love... I was more interested in recovering from the

botched surgery and enjoying my senior year. We met, both showed interest, but I was hesitant.

1st love cornered me...."if you like me, act on it or leave me alone." We dated two years.

2nd love... I decided to date around and enjoy my college years. I did like this one gal

but learned she wanted to try things again with her x b/f. I respected that... she would ask me

advice (I was a few years older). One day she told me she had a friend she thought I would like to meet.

We dated solid for three years and off and on two more. For roughly a year, I dated around... had just

graduated college. Met a few great women, met a few I wish I hadn't. Even was semi-serious with

a gal 17 years older than me. Summer '97 I was happily dating a handful of women and was not

serious with any. Enter my now XW.... "the deck was shuffled" and she was top card on deck.

Reshuffled.... XW still there...... third time.... XW still there. One by one the other women just

faded away. There we were.... 15+ years. After DDay 2012... I had about as much desire to date

as I would getting a hemorrhoid. I knew exactly what I wanted by learning from my mistakes in

our M. But I was not ready.... for anything serious. Enter UG... who personified "the perfect person at

the perfect time." It was wonderful..... then it was over. Somewhat like a high school or college

romance. I have been dating around for about six months now. Not much has changed... still love older

women. I seem more attractive to older women. Now for the Sandy Koufax curveball....

since I want kids I have to date younger. New territory for me. When you look to the right for that

"person" she will sneak up on you, on your left. As for the BS.... I never knew if XW cheated or

not. It didn't matter.... she walked out on the M. To he!! with her. She regrets what she did,

has admitted this. Well that is her cross to bear.

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I have done both. Multi dated when I was in the early phases of divorce and hurt from the cheating. I was out of control. I would sometimes stack up dates 3 deep on a Saturday and another 2 or so on Sunday. This was ok I guess but expensive even though I had a no dinner first date rule, and not very fulfilling. In the end I am a relationship guy and can't really obtain that dating everyone in town. So now I do one at a time which I'm much happier with.
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I'd say all of you have given me some great "food for thought". Thank you.

I'd like to respond individually to you all, so give me a little time to think about what I want to post in reply.

You all made me think, but more importantly, feel like I am not an anomaly.

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If they are dating other people, then she is not his "girlfriend" nor is he the "boyfriend." You cant have those titles if you are multi dating. The woman in this scenario is very selfish in expecting him to give her all this time and show jealousy. Its kind of sick, in my personal opinion. I dont understand why he is tolerating it, whether he wants commitment or wants to keep dating around. Either way, this woman sounds toxic.

If you dont want to multi date, then DONT. I dont do it, I hate the idea of that. I am a one on one kind of person, and if you dont like the idea of what he is doing, then dont let anyone talk you into it.


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It sounds like you are looking for a committed relationship and he is not. Maybe he feels "safer" seeing a woman who is not monogamous, who knows. That way,,he knows upfront he is not the only man in her life. People react differently to having had a cheating spouse and the effects can last a lifetime.

If you are seeking a monogamous relationship...I would look elsewhere. Plenty of men are looking for the same, despite how it seems sometimes.
Well, I haven't even begun to date. I have thought about it, but I was/am not quite ready.

He almost talks like that Sir whatshisname site that's a player guide. It's a little disturbing, actually. I know he doesn't mean any harm and is pretty open about his beliefs. He has learned over time, how to do this, or so he says. I think it does have to do with what happened to him, but that to me, is disturbing when I realize he is doing what he hated.

He does seem very happy with it all. It seems like a hell of a lot of drama to me.

I get the impression he thinks I should follow in his steps, like there is no chance for me due to my age, past, available money, and so forth. Maybe he is right about me? Him being 67 I think, and me being 52, I sort of look at him as someone with advice I should seriously consider. I don't trust him very well, yet. That takes time and consistency.

I don't really want to date a bunch of women, or a bunch at one time. If I ever do start dating, I will want to do a one at a time thing. I will likely not have sex until I feel pretty sure that woman is only going to have sex with me until we decide for more or less of each other's time.

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I tink this is a very individual thing. Some people prefer multi-dating. Some don't. One size doesn't fit all.

For myself, I've found I'm not very good at it.

The key in dating is to be honest about what you want and are ok with. If you aren't into multi-dating you can tell the person up front. Then if they are, you can decide to cut it off if that's what you want.
I figured we were all different, but even that statement shows the level of naivety I have. I wish it weren't so, but it is true. I did a little bit of it for about two months and found it to be dramatic and exciting, but that was twenty years ago and I ended it with the one I felt was looking for more, when I realized I could not give it. She gave me the impression she was doing the same, I was a serious consideration, but she wasn't going to commit to only me. I had some issues with worry over possible disease or whatever, and getting a rep for being an ass. I didn't like that, but I guess it was a part of the kind of thing many men do after their marriage dissolves. I'm not up for that, and I wasn't good at it either. I was waiting for something bad to happen.

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2ntnuf, I think your question is very interesting.
Thanks. I didn't think I would read something like that. I keep running into questions that I've never thought about much before. It's literally scary now. I don't want to be thinking of doom and gloom and I'll never have...whatever. I'm trying. I really am.

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STBXH and I are now separated, he's continuing in his relationship with the OW as far as I know (I really try never to ask about her. I kind of like to pretend she doesn't exist - she is not living with him yet, as she will have to move from another state to do that, so I can deny her existence to myself for a while longer).
That sucks. At some point, you will accept at least some of it. I haven't accepted all of what happened. Hell, I don't know all of what happened. There may come a time when I'll want to pursue some answers, but I suffer from anxiety now, and when I talk about these things with others, even just glossing over things, I lock in to that anxiety and it really is debilitating. It is much better, but I am not fully healed. I may never be, but I'll keep trying. CBT is supposed to help with that kind of thing.

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I've wondered if I'll find someone I can trust again at this point. I don't dwell on it much, because I'm still trying to fully heal and get to where I truly just don't care what he does anymore before I launch into anything with someone new.
And that's partly why I don't even casually date. It's in my answer above. The anxiety is tough. The unintentional comparisons stymie any desire to pursue. It's much less prominent, but I'm not quite there yet.

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I'm a one man woman. When I was in college and the year before I met my STBXH, I was serially monogamous. Had my heart broken by a couple of guys during that period who, after 3-6 months, wanted "to see other people," and ending up marrying the next girl they ended up seeing.

I sometimes think the only men I'll be able to trust again are other BS's who want to be monogamous, and who are divorced and have healed. I've never had any interest in multi-dating. I'm not co-dependent - I'm quite independent, actually, and definitely not clingy. But I do equate sex with love and don't want to have it just to have it with no emotional attachment behind it. I think those who can sleep with multiple partners must be remaining emotionally detached from them. I can't do that.
Sex is such an intimately vulnerable thing for me, I really have a tough time getting to it with just anyone. Insecurity, realization that I'm not all that and a bag of chips, and many other personal issues come in to play. Those aren't the only things, though. I have a little issue with leading a woman on. I may have been taught that in my youth. I don't know. It's the icing on the cake for me. It is so special and wonderful, I like it when it is "making love". It has always been much more satisfying for me when it has been "making love". I do like just sex for sex, but from that one woman I'm with at the time. I even like exploring, though even that response shows my shyness, by avoiding directly addressing what I mean. So, you can see, I have to deal with many things, too.

I think you will eventually recover to a point that you can function in a fashion that is normal for a scarred BS. Some of that scarring, believe it or not is good, but mostly it just sucks and is needless.

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I'm divorced from a man I found out had been serially cheating on me for pretty much our entire 15+ year marriage.
I knew the betrayed part, but not the most of the marriage part. Good lord. I couldn't read on without commenting. That's how much that affected me.

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I actually will "multi-date", but only for the first couple of dates with anyone. If it goes further than 2-3 dates with a guy, I stop seeing other people until we've figured out if it's going anywhere. I do not sleep with more than one person at a time. I like sex, but I only want to have it in the context of an exclusive relationship with a man I care about and can see the possibility of a future with.
If I did anything, I might do this, but it's as far as I think I would go now. I don't think I would even know how to do this, though. I would think of them as friends or acquaintances rather than potential partners.

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So, basically, I'm looking for a relationship, not just something casual. I don't do friends with benefits or NSA sex. I have no issues if others want to pursue those types of arrangements. It's just not what I'm looking for.
I agree. I don't know what I want. I feel like if I actually dated, it would be with one woman and would not be much more than dating and eventually, after much consideration, sex, but only with her. What's scary is I can't be sure about her doing the same, and many people lie just to get a little satisfaction.

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2ntnuf, I suspect your friend remains deeply scarred by what happened in his marriage. Perhaps he hasn't fully healed. Or, he may simply no longer be capable of the trust and emotional vulnerability required for an exclusive relationship. In any case, he seems to have chosen to not even try for one. What he has with his girlfriend may be all he wants, or all he's capable of now. I may think that's sad, but it's apparently working for him at this time.
This seems likely and I think it has become comfortable for him. I mean the lack of having to be too vulnerable and open to becoming another betrayed...monogamous dater, committed partner...? It seems he is covering for fear and keeping options open so he can think, "I don't care and it doesn't hurt because I have other women who want me besides you".

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Personally, I choose to not allow who my ex-husband turned out to be to dictate how I live my life. As you say, if I was okay being with someone who was emotionally unavailable and sleeping with other people, I could have stayed married and kept my house and half my money. I choose to believe that there are good men out there who don't cheat, who love and respect their partners. That's what I'm looking for when I date. I don't want a casual or open relationship. So I don't date men who want that, since we'd be incompatible.
Yeah, that's pretty much summing it up. I guess it's peer pressure causing me some angst? Many men are laughed at or get their stones broken if they don't act like they don't hurt any more. They are laughed at for not getting back into the game and screwing as many women as they can. I jokingly mentioned something about a sort of harem type deal where he had his options always open to him and he shook his head yes. He's not a bad guy, just so you all know. He's a decent guy, just no longer monogamous. And, strangely enough, he said many men and women who have been burned like this do similarly. He's always joking or talking to women, almost like he's always looking for another woman because he knows the last will eventually be gone.

That really sucks and breaks my heart when I think of my future. I can't be that way. I won't lie and say I don't find myself saying something humorous, but I don't consider it flirting since I don't have that intention. I suppose someone might consider it as flirting. Today, a woman sneezed and someone said "bless you". Right after, I said, "that blew my hair back". I thought it was funny because I have a crew cut and some male pattern baldness, so there isn't much to blow back. On top of that, she was about eight feet away and turned the other way. Another woman in the area chuckled her butt off. The one I said that to, didn't. Don't know now why I wrote that, but I'll let myself be vulnerable.

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That. Both in her view of your friend and the questions you posed as well as how I feel about dating and relationships.

He doesn't want to feel vulnerable emotionally or financially. He'll never have what you are looking for by doing that, though.
That last sentence is one thing I am thinking in the back of my mind. Don't know if I would ever marry again. Likely not, but I would want someone close to me in heart and exclusive to me. It's hard to write that and not feel like it's controlling. I don't mean it that way.

But, that's freakin' scary as hell. It frightens me to my core.

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