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Old 09-28-2010, 04:05 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Is it not part of the problem that we grow up without much in terms of male role models?

And I'm telling you, cherrypie is a manipulative spy!!!
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Talk about sitcoms, this reminds me of an old Family Ties episode when Alex Keaten played by Michael J. Fox walks into his little brother's daycare center.

He is playing in the kitchen and asks his brother: "What are you doing?"

The little brother answers: "Taking care of the house and changing the baby."

Alex then asks, "Where is your wife?"

The little brother answers matter-of-factly: "She's at work."

Alex scoops him up and runs out the daycare center: "We are outta here!!!"

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And believe it or not roles are a good thing and even important. Everybody has their own roles be it at home, school, work, church and just wherever. It's all about roles and everyone doing their part. It would be a mess if the roles got mixed and people did each others jobs. That is how problems are caused. It's not immature at all.
Unless you are one of those people who doesn't fit the gender roles. Like me. And my husband.
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Anyway, there is a reason these shows have the all-knowing wise woman and the bumbling Dad/husband - it's an extension of the commercials.

Women drive consumption in the US and advertisers will go with TV shows and commercials that portray this and reinforce women's needs to feel good about themselves, that they need to degrade men.

This is the magic of beer commercials.

Beer commercials are men degrading other men ("Real Men of Genius" was my favorite longstanding beer commercial) or just simply allowing men to drink beer and saying it's okay.

I also liked the beer commercial of a man sitting at a bar asking if these jeans maked him look fat. LOL!
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:20 PM   #140 (permalink)
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But we are raised almost exclusively by women.

Women raise us. We don't have much exposure to men - except for a small amount of time at home with Dad in the evening and maybe the weekend. And what we see on TV or movies.
This is why nobody kicked sand in a Spartan's face.
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What if the Spartan was a friggin' idiot? Or a Yankee's fan?
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Is it not part of the problem that we grow up without much in terms of male role models?

And I'm telling you, cherrypie is a manipulative spy!!!
I'm actually a double agent! but shh

No I am not submissive in the sense that I will obey every word my husband says. And I'm also not manipulative, if anything my mother in law tried to teach me to be just that and control my husband and I refused so they started to dislike me.

I was raised in a house where my mother NEVER not even for a second worked, she was home raising us and my dad was out providing for us. He NEVER did any kind of housework so I see it as being normal when the man doesn't do house chores. I also see it as ok if he helps the woman, not replaces her but helps her, gives her a hand if she needs him to. I wouldn't ever be turned on if my husband put on rubber gloves and washed dishes or scrubbed the toilet.

Oh just please read MEM and BBW's posts and you'll know what I mean.
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But we are raised almost exclusively by women.

My girls were recently commenting and laughing that there was a MALE homeroom teacher at their grade school. They just think it seems ridiculous.

Women raise us. We don't have much exposure to men - except for a small amount of time at home with Dad in the evening and maybe the weekend. And what we see on TV or movies.

If a parent stays home, its almost always the mother. At school and daycare - more women in charge. Maybe a male principal - who we only see if we are bad. Or a male gym teacher - offset by a female gym teacher.

Maybe we need more stay at home dads?
Um back in the older days it was exclusively the women who raised all the men and they grew up into pretty great leaders. Nowadays, more men are involved and well.. hence the gender problem.

Women and can make you and they can break you. It's all up to us. It's simply a choice. Trust me. This is the manipulative spy inside me speaking That is why some turn out to be masculine, and others a momma's boy. Depends on how the woman brainwashes the kid.

When you're older, that's when it's not up to us anymore and god gave you a head with brains, use it!
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My mother also stayed at home - but was not educated. I was an only child. When I left home, it was almost as if she lost her identity.

And - while I'm sharing - my dad spent much of his time either working, or saddled up next to a bar.

As a kid I recognized this at some level, and went into "make mom happy" mode. Hence - I believe - the origins of my "nice guy" personality.

My dad eventually sobered up and stayed that way. As I grew older (college age), I did begin to respect some of the things he had been doing.

But there was a lot of my young life where it was just me and mom.
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Um back in the older days it was exclusively the women who raised all the men and they grew up into pretty great leaders. Nowadays, more men are involved and well.. hence the gender problem.

Women and can make you and they can break you. It's all up to us. It's simply a choice. Trust me. This is the manipulative spy inside me speaking

When you're older, that's when it's not up to us anymore and god gave you a head with brains, use it!
Go back a bit farther, and many of us would have been raised on a farm - and would have started at a young age working alongside our father and other male relatives. Or we would have been trained at a younger age - possibly by our father - in some sort of trade.
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Do we truly think that men have superior intellect or are better decision makers?

Or is it simply because women make the breast milk and have the babies that leaves them with an "equitable" 49% of the vote within a "healthy" marriage?
You have such a way with words! LOL

I don't think that my husband (Tanelornpete) has a superior intellect or is a better decision maker. I believe we have complementary intellects and we are both utterly capable of making decisions. We also both are comfortable speaking to each other honestly and being open with each other about our thoughts and feelings--that safety/protection concept is a big one. BUT at the end of the day, someone has to be the one designated to make the decision.

I can't speak for every couple but the way we do it is that he seeks out my input and then either he makes the decision outright or he decides "You choose on this one as either way seems reasonable to me." Thus if I have a preference we can choose to go with that preference. To my mind, the way and style that BBW and MEM use is a little more dominant than the way we do it, but it's darn close and the concept is right. Our personal execution is more like this: "You're the expert at this one dear so you take the lead on that project" or "We agree to tackle this or that together." It always comes back to one thing though...HE makes that determination just because someone has to be picked.

I think those who protest the man taking the lead usually have at some point experienced a man who is abusive in his leadership, and this creates a wife who is unruly and unwilling to yield to that kind of treatment. When a man is firm but also openly communicates, "I will listen; I will take your opinion into account," it makes a world of difference and puts the wife in a position of not being afraid to "let go of the reins" and let him be the leader he is.
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"Men are what their mothers made them." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Even so, maybe the boys were trained by their father or other males, but in the end, when the dad yells at the son to toughen up, it's up to the mother to either go hug the son and baby him saying poor baby it's ok bla bla bla, or she can sit and let the man do what he has to do to turn the boy into a man.

I have 2 bothers and my mom never babied either of them and they're not sissy. My MIL on the other hand, still babies my husband and he's almost 30 and I hate his guts! See the difference?
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"Men are what their mothers made them." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Even so, maybe the boys were trained by their father or other males, but in the end, when the dad yells at the son to toughen up, it's up to the mother to either go hug the son and baby him saying poor baby it's ok bla bla bla, or she can sit and let the man do what he has to do to turn the boy into a man.

I have 2 bothers and my mom never babied either of them and they're not sissy. My MIL on the other hand, still babies my husband and he's almost 30 and I hate his guts! See the difference?
Yes - I see that women are secretly in control and they don't like it.



That you can crush us at any time...but you want us to protect you...



Oh yeah - and you want to be spanked - but in a respectful, loving way.

Its all becoming quite clear...and I need an asprin and a stiff drink...
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:28 PM   #149 (permalink)
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"All women become their mothers. That is their tragedy.

All men can never become theirs. That is theirs."

- Alexander Pope.
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BTW, men. . .if you are ever in an argument that's heated with your wife and you are losing, you can always say,

"You know who you are just like? You are just like your mother!!!"

They love that. It always wins the argument.

Ask the women here.

Trust me.
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