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Old 01-16-2012, 03:17 PM   #136 (permalink)
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i'd get a 2nd opinion Lon

keep checking into it until you get a dr. that looks at the sympoms and not just the numbers.
This is where I was fortunate, and I second stritles suggestion.
I was on the normal side as well, ranging from 300 - 400 ng/dl

My fatigue, and joint pain were the clinchers for me.

And as I stressed in my initial post, the issue I found was that my MD's wanted to treat all of the symptoms separately. Never occurred to anyone that many of them may be related to one thing.

Any of my existing issues could have been chalked up to problems resulting from other conditions, or worse, side effects of medication I was already taking.

It was very frustrating.
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Lon - Simply having your "free test" levels checked isnt going to tell you anything. You must have: Test (free and natural), Estrodial, Prostate, RBC's. Free test is simply the test available floating around in your blood, natural is what is being used.

Test levels can be the culprite for many different symptoms, if you doc treats your hormone levels and your thyroid, it will cure most of thosem symptoms you mentioned.
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...my MD's wanted to treat all of the symptoms separately. Never occurred to anyone that many of them may be related to one thing.
yeah this is why it seemed like a revalation when I started reading about HRT... low test explains ALL the symptoms I've been experiencing the last couple years. I didn't even realize that there were performance issues until after my separation, but now looking back I think it was a major factor in my sexless marriage, maybe part of the reason I gave up trying to pursue my W (and my career, my health/fitness and my social life).

So I will stay on this and ask for comprehensive hormone testing. My doc is sympathetic to my symptoms but seems to really want to compartmentalize it, treat my disthymia first with anti-depressants then go from there.
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ftr, I am not really in favor of medication... I am trying to be open to the arguement in favor, I have relatives who know first hand (both as patient and physician) what the benefits are, however I find they are always reluctant to talk about the drawbacks, under the guise of optimism I suppose. I am trying to overcome my symptoms by addressing the cause and manage this through nutrition and exercise, but the depression cycles can definitely be a setback for this and my progress (if there even is any) seems slow. I think I am completely willing to take whatever chemical measures could help solve the root of my problem, I just don't want to feel like a guinea pig and just take whatever random pharmaceutical is marketable to me.
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Deejo, not that we see eye to eye on much, but low T usually doesn't manifest itself in ED!

Guys are very much just fluid and piping it's all mechanics, so none of the current ED aids have helped?
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I always take the view that the doc will get it wrong, experience has taught me that’s the best way with them. I have used a naturopath Naturopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

A consultation typically begins with a lengthy patient interview focusing on lifestyle, medical history, emotional tone, and physical features, as well as physical examination.

When I made the one hour appointment I got in the post a massive approx 200 questions to answer and return a week before I met her. It’s a whole lifestyle thing that they look at. So very different to the ten minutes or so with a doc who is basically there to dispense drugs in some form or another. In the case of this topic I’d look for one who specialises/has experience in male sexual performance issues.
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Deejo, not that we see eye to eye on much, but low T usually doesn't manifest itself in ED!

Guys are very much just fluid and piping it's all mechanics, so none of the current ED aids have helped?
I took adderall for ADHD for over 10 years. Side effects include prostate issues, decreased libido, and ED.

I hit the trifecta. The testosterone issue was a problem in parallel.
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Sounds like your systems been really hit and you may have to do a lot of remedy work to get it back to normal. If you really do have circulation problems caused by the drugs you took then it will be a case of stopping ingesting foods etc. that restrict your blood flow and taking in foods that get your blood itself to the right consistency.

I know quite a bit about caffeine because a few years back I was trying very hard to stop smoking. I had lots of triggers, a good meal, a pint all that sort of thing. But one of my triggers was coffee and tea so I decided to go onto water only for three days just to see what happened.

I was amazed. In the afternoon of the first day I got a massive headache. I’m lucky and never suffer from them (just give them to others). That night in bed my knees and ankles started twitching, kind of jumping about by themselves, very strange. The next day I typed the two symptoms into Google and up came “caffeine withdrawal symptoms”.

What actually happens is caffeine actually reduces the size of the blood vessels in the brain and other parts of the body. Caffeine has a half life of 3 hours or so as it reduces in the blood, the vessels start to expand again. And this is what gives the headaches. If a person is continuously drinking drinks with caffeine in them they don’t get the headaches etc. because the vessels stay constricted. Caffeine does come out of the blood but it is stored in body organs. It’s quite dangerous stuff.

But drinks with caffeine in them is only one way blood flow may be reduced, others of course are if our blood is thicker than it should be. It’s for these reasons I recommend a holistic approach via a naturopath.

There’s a lot of info around re caffeine and ED. From the testosterone perspective caffeine whacks the adrenal gland which in part I believe produces testosterone and is therefore made less effective.

All doctors will do, if you are lucky, is measure your hormone levels and give you a boost. It’s much preferable to work with someone to help you get your body back to what it should be and produce your own testosterone and get your blood circulation to what it should be. But it’s no “quick fix” and can take time and one heck of a lot of perseverance before you see any results.

The first test of a good naturopath is if they have a total intolerance of caffeine. Wont give up the caffeine? Goodbye and only come back when you have.
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So in a bizarre set of events ... I'm actually curious if anyone else on HRT has had difficulty getting testosterone cypionate?

I haven't been able to get it at all. Four pharmacies have told me that the manufacturerer has stopped making it. WTF?

Needless to say, had a physical little more than a week ago. My total Test was 314. Back to where I started. Fatigue has been through the roof. I'm guessing also a result of having been supplementing and then stopping cold turkey.

I'm mentally slower, more tired, and fatter ...

Exactly what I was going for and what turns the ladies heads ...
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So in a bizarre set of events ... I'm actually curious if anyone else on HRT has had difficulty getting testosterone cypionate?

I haven't been able to get it at all. Four pharmacies have told me that the manufacturerer has stopped making it. WTF?

Needless to say, had a physical little more than a week ago. My total Test was 314. Back to where I started. Fatigue has been through the roof. I'm guessing also a result of having been supplementing and then stopping cold turkey.

I'm mentally slower, more tired, and fatter ...

Exactly what I was going for and what turns the ladies heads ...
H is on testosterone cypionate injections. Haven't had any problems getting it (S/Central US).

Is your doc going to switch your prescription?

The fatigue and fuzzy-headedness of hormone imbalance are awful. Hope you can get things balanced out and feel better.
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Thank you for sharing your story. My husband is suffering from Ed and I am not sure what to do. He was tested, average so did not persistent it further. We had an excellent sex life up to 4 yrs ago. He used to be very affectionate but that also stopped. He never refuses my initiations and always manages to orgasmm but with alot of time and can't always maintain penetration. I am sure what the best way to deal with this is. I don't mind initiating but I know he feels terrible when he can't perform. I assure him that it is okay and we make the mostof it.
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First off , how fit is he?, is he overweight, does he smoke? My libido was going down the tubes, until I lost 22lbs and hit the gym four times a week. ED is often about circulation in older guys, poor health & lifestyle over time plugs up the works and ED happens. My Libido is now back to where it was 20 years ago by simply watching what I eat and regular intense exercise, I'd suggest getting this book for Hubby and following it, "The Four Hour Body " by Tim Ferris.
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The following was published by Sciencedaily.com
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Elsevier (2012, April 2). Exploring the antidepressant effects of testosterone. ScienceDaily. Retrieved April 4, 2012, from http://www.sciencedaily.com* /releases/2012/04/120402093750.htm
Exploring the Antidepressant Effects of Testosterone

ScienceDaily (Apr. 2, 2012) — Testosterone, the primary male sex hormone, appears to have antidepressant properties, but the exact mechanisms underlying its effects have remained unclear. Nicole Carrier and Mohamed Kabbaj, scientists at Florida State University, are actively working to elucidate these mechanisms.

They've discovered that a specific pathway in the hippocampus, a brain region involved in memory formation and regulation of stress responses, plays a major role in mediating testosterone's effects, according to their new report in Biological Psychiatry.

Compared to men, women are twice as likely to suffer from an affective disorder like depression. Men with hypogonadism, a condition where the body produces no or low testosterone, also suffer increased levels of depression and anxiety. Testosterone replacement therapy has been shown to effectively improve mood.

Although it may seem that much is already known, it is of vital importance to fully characterize how and where these effects are occurring so that scientists can better target the development of future antidepressant therapies.

To advance this goal, the scientists performed multiple experiments in neutered adult male rats. The rats developed depressive-like behaviors that were reversed with testosterone replacement.

They also "identified a molecular pathway called MAPK/ERK2 (mitogen activated protein kinase/ extracellular regulated kinase 2) in the hippocampus that plays a major role in mediating the protective effects of testosterone," said Kabbaj.

This suggests that the proper functioning of ERK2 is necessary before the antidepressant effects of testosterone can occur. It also suggests that this pathway may be a promising target for antidepressant therapies.

Kabbaj added, "Interestingly, the beneficial effects of testosterone were not associated with changes in neurogenesis (generation of new neurons) in the hippocampus as it is the case with other classical antidepressants like imipramine (Tofranil) and fluoxetine (Prozac)."

In results published elsewhere by the same group, testosterone has shown beneficial effects only in male rats, not in female rats.
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This is where I was fortunate, and I second stritles suggestion.
I was on the normal side as well, ranging from 300 - 400 ng/dl

My fatigue, and joint pain were the clinchers for me.

And as I stressed in my initial post, the issue I found was that my MD's wanted to treat all of the symptoms separately. Never occurred to anyone that many of them may be related to one thing.

Any of my existing issues could have been chalked up to problems resulting from other conditions, or worse, side effects of medication I was already taking.

It was very frustrating.
I can relate to this as well,

Except my numbers were a lot lower, I was at 156 on my first test and at 154 on my second. I have been on HRT for about 3 months now and the difference in the way I felt before and the way I feel now is amazing!
I was too the point of extreme anxiety and depression and the doctors were giving me the usual things for the individual problems ,but it was just making things worse. I am so glad that I found postings like this and the information online to be able to go to them and say "Hey, lets have a look at my testosterone levels" and sure enough thats what it was.

It is really unfortunate that some doctors these days don't really seem to take this too serious and that there are a lot of guys out there that are being given things that are actually making things worse rather than better.

Funny about the availability of the test, I guess thats one of the benefits of living in Asia, I am being treated with Nebido which is the slow ester type( one shot every 3 10 to 12 weeks, 4 ml injection) very stable and no peaks and valleys as far as I can tell. The only thing I do is also take the oral Testocaps on top of the injection because it seems to keep my levels a bit higher and feels better all around. Last blood work I was at 425. I feel like I would be better around 600 or so but hold out hope that it will go up a bit. Does tend to shrinks the jewels a bit, but it is too be expected. Libido is back and at 49 it feels like I am in my mid 20's. Hard to manage the urges sometimes and keep a straight face when good looking girls are around!

Deejo, sorry to hear that things are a bit troublesome for you. Its a long road and you can hold out hope that things will get better later on down the road.

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