I am more interested in sex when my levels are on the high side DUH ;-) This is the result of bi weekly shots of Testosterone. Along with higher levels come higher energy levels and much more enjoyment of women.
I think my stbx wouldn't be a stbx if they were still close to 0 as a result of chemotherapy.
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And if I understand the other posters, 300 might be 'acceptable', but without a baseline history of my own levels, it could still be too low for "me" if I was around 600 1-2 years ago.
And if I understand the other posters, 300 might be 'acceptable', but without a baseline history of my own levels, it could still be too low for "me" if I was around 600 1-2 years ago.
Yes, you should be able to call and just ask for the results of your test screen. If they simply say "you're normal." Ask for the exact level. It is a number represented in nanograms over deciliters.
I was pleased when my doc said "I don't care what your number is, you're symptomatic." Between two tests, my median was 400.
There is really nothing hard and fast about what the 'right' level is, but from everything I've read, between 600 and 800 seems to be the sweet spot for a healthy drive and few issues with mood or fatigue.
I had to push the doc to do mine last year, I accepted the "it's normal" result. I must say the symptoms are way too familliar to me, you may have figured out my puzzle. Monday when I see the doc. I am going to get that specific number and push this issue a bit.. Like was said in an earlyer post, may have made a difference in my marriage, well too late for that I suppose, but not late to rock another gal's world .. hahaha
I had to push the doc to do mine last year, I accepted the "it's normal" result. I must say the symptoms are way too familliar to me, you may have figured out my puzzle. Monday when I see the doc. I am going to get that specific number and push this issue a bit.. Like was said in an earlyer post, may have made a difference in my marriage, well too late for that I suppose, but not late to rock another gal's world .. hahaha
In that case, viagra already can rock!
My husband's level is around 350, which is within the normal range and doctor refused to give him injection but some viagras. He's got 100mg per pill, and he cut each pill into 3-4 pieces because he doesn't need that strong.
It works pretty and saves money, you only spend few dollars per round.
I had to push the doc to do mine last year, I accepted the "it's normal" result. I must say the symptoms are way too familliar to me, you may have figured out my puzzle. Monday when I see the doc. I am going to get that specific number and push this issue a bit.. Like was said in an earlyer post, may have made a difference in my marriage, well too late for that I suppose, but not late to rock another gal's world .. hahaha
If your doc is unresponsive - fire them. Or make an appointment with a urologist. If you are fighting constant fatigue and mood issues along with the sexual problems, it is certainly worth further investigation.
If your doc is unresponsive - fire them. Or make an appointment with a urologist. If you are fighting constant fatigue and mood issues along with the sexual problems, it is certainly worth further investigation.
I'm a pharmacist and I hear people complain about their doctors all the time.
While managed care does have panels of approved providers, it's not like you HAVE to go to that particular doctor.
The past two decades have seen a “substantial” and unexplained decrease in American men’s testosterone levels, a study has found.
Testosterone is a potent “male” hormone produced chiefly by the testes, and chiefly responsible for the development of male sexual characteristics. The substance also strengthens muscle tone and bone mass, and promotes good health in men.
The downward trend seems to be “due to some undocumented historical or contemporary influence, health related or environmental,” wrote researchers with the New England Research Institutes in Watertown, Mass., in the study.
The findings appear in the early online edition of the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.
Average levels of the hormone dropped by 1 percent a year, the researchers reported. While a man’s testosterone level typically falls steadily with age, the investigators found what they argued was a faster decline than could be attributed to aging alone.
They suggested that rising obesity rates and decline in smoking might partially explain the findings, since both factors are associated with lower testosterone levels. But these trends accounted for only a small percentage of the drop, they added.
The researchers said the study population was relatively limited, consisting of 1,532 men from the greater Boston area, and thus the results need to be confirmed by follow-up research.
Have seen an uptick of posts regarding lack of male sexual desire, and questions about T levels, so I thought this was worth posting.
Deejo, I hope I'm not hi-jacking your thread but I've been reading up on low T and I came across this site that some people may find interesting to look at, it has a specific forum on there so you can chat to other people who have the condition and blogs from people under going treatement ect, and there is also a self test questionaire too.
I have been on HRT for years (almost 12). It really isnt as difficult as the doctors think and MOST are completely ignorant to how it works. I recommend seeing an anti aging clinic. Normal doctors are not receptive to modern sciences. I am an ex bodybuilder, that through years of abuse, have ruined my natural system, I had to go on HRT to normalize my life.
1) Get blood work - You will need a full panel. They will test many items, but the big ones are: Test (free and natural), Estrogene, prostate, RBC's, Cholestrals, IGF-1, and lipids. Ranges are different with each lab, but they give ranges (say 200-100), and so on.
Test levels (natural) when lower than say 300 (on a scale of 200-1000), will cause fat gain, laziness, tired, lack of sex drive, no strenght, ext... I try and keep mine at 1000 or so. Most guys, if they have a 300 level, by one shot a week or Test cypionate (200mg/s) thier levels will be 800 or so. Each person differs, but this is a rough guage. Gels, implants do not work as good and are cumbersome.
Be sure to check prostate, it may enlarge in older men. Also estrogen levels, at 200mg of test a week, it should not evelvate but over that it will. If so, Arimidex would be added every other day. A simple pill. This blocks the coversion of test to estrogen
In some individuals RBC's may elevate. RBC's, are the red blood cell counts. if over say 50 or so, the blood gets thicker, thus may add to the risk of cardiac issues. Blood donation will be prescribed every 56 days or so to keep them down.
2) It will take about 4 weeks to get the right mix/mg's to level things out. A man has 2 balls in the air juggling with his blood work, a women will have like 6 balls. MUCH harder to dial in a females bloodwork.
I have had my levels anywhere from 125 (out of 200-1000), and as high as 2800 (out of 200-1000). Anywhere from 500-750 is best, over say 1300 you loose the benifit and the blood cant utilize the test. Thus it simply creates triple the side effects and less benefit.
testicles may shrink, but it is due to the body shutting down natural production all together as the shots are now introduced. If a major problem, such and they are raising, HCG can be added. It is a simple shot (like diabetics take) in the ove handle twice weekly.
I have seen some amazing changes in older men on HRT. A decent HRT program can be had for under 75 bucks a month. Health insurances will cover only gel's and implants, maybe shots. Most docs push the gels and thats what the reps push. It does work, but not as good and it's a hassle.
I am a 270 lbs man (at 8% body fat) and use 2 shots weekly (3 days apart) of 200mg's of cypionate. In between the shots I take 500iu's of HCG to keep the boys working and full), and 1/2 tab of arimidex every day. As mentioned my levels keep pretty consistant at 1000-1100.
Test cypionate/enathate both have a half life of about 14 days. if you take a shot a week you will be OK with slight peaks/valleys. Every 14 days and you will notice it fading. I shoot every 3 days and it remains very consistant.
Excellent input Minncouple. I was having all the symptoms you describe, along with joint discomfort. My levels were hovering between low to mid 300's and 400.
Based on input from you and others, I may consider moving over to injections.
My concern with the gels is that I have small children. I'm in close physical contact with them often. Just makes me nervous.
I must say, that honestly, if HRT has no impact on the ED issue ... I may discontinue it altogether.
I cant comment on the ED issues, I would think a higher test level would help, but not if it is some non test level related issue causing the ED.
The gels do work, I have used them. They are cumbersome, and a 5g packet used daily raised my levels from 200 to about 600. Alot fo work, for a little raise in levels. It is also not cheap, but I do believe it is the more commonly used insurance companies. It aint cheap if your paying cash for it.
Like I said, and HRT anti aging clinic can get you on a progam for under 100 a month maybe cheaper and you'll be good to go.
Your post really hit home with me and I thank you for telling your story. I just had a vasectory about 3 months ago. For about a month after the procedure, everything felt normal. Then I started to notice that my erections started to be harder to come by. Also, they are not "self-sustaining". Before the procedure, I could just THINK about my wife and I was "at attention". Now, my thoughts are not enough. And, it's getting more difficult for me to have sexual thoughts where before it was natural. Also, I am no longer affected by visual stimulus either. My wife and I have to be engaged in physical contact for an erection to occur and even then it's hit or miss. This has been pretty debilitating for me. My wife initially thought that I simply lost interest and that's not the case. I now believe that I have low testosterone. I am setting up an appointment to see if this is the case. I had a suspicion and reading the links and your post makes me think that this is the case.
I would see about getting the vasectomy reversed as soon as possible. For some men vasectomy basically seems to neuter them.
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