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Old 02-23-2011, 12:48 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Simply Amourous - Your last statement sums it up. 95% of Encronologists are completely ignorant to HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy. They are too in thier ways from out dated medical books written 20-30 years ago. It is also about 10% of what the actually work with in terms of pateints.

A Anti-Aging clinic will be the most reliable information. Find a clinic that has a Dr working there and they can help you.

True - levels vary from individual to individual, some guys are fine at 300, while some guys are a wreck. It should be more based on results and feelings, than blood work.

Also, weight training, eating right over a life time DO help retain natural levels. Starting to work out at 60 wont help much though. The statement that working out will only hurt him assures me your doctor is completely ignorant. How would leading a healthier lifestyle hurt someone?

In closing, there are two levels checked on blood panels. ) natural test, and 2) free test. One is that which is being used, the other test that is available for use. They should be kid of close, say natural at 300, and free at 350-500.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:19 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Another point to mention is this can change drastically. I quit smoking last year, had huge relationship stress and had ALL the symptoms including ED, anxiety, sleeplessness, no energy etc. Test at 400.

6 Months later, feeling better, over withdrawl, sleeping, not as tired. Tested at 580.

I still have some anxiety, and ED is much better - I am convinced it's now a mental problem as I can worry about it and get anxiety and cause it to happen - but when I don't overthink things it works fine. If u suprise me, I get hard right away. If you tell me in an hour your going to jump me I start thinking about it and it's more difficult. My whole life I never even thought about it until it happened once last year and now it's a seed in my brain.

However - My testosterone definately took a dive last year but came back up. I'm 40 in two months.
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Agree, stress is a very big factor with your health. Stress on the body causes release of cortisol, thus breaking down the body. It can be a real tough one to deal with.

There was a period of time I was under alot of stress, you could put 3 strippers in front of me and I couldnt give a crap about them, during sex with my wife I was only about 75% into it. My test levels during that time were around 1100 (200-1000 was the range).

As far as ED, it is mostly mental. I had a one time "issue" and it really beat me up for months.
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Wow! Thankyou all for your input here. I been dealing with all this for many years and started Androgel @3 months ago. 1 month into it and T went to 797 from 220. Now its back down to 310 and feeling miserable again. Doc increased Andro to 7.5 and im waiting. Im getting impatient and sick of these feelings. Sorry to get yal off topic. Guess i just needed a place to vent that can understand me. Thanks again!!!
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A T count test should be before 10am. Make sure your times are consistent.
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After just over 30 days, I had my T levels checked as part of a scheduled physical.

Total T was 430 ... yup, that's 30 points higher than my baseline of two previous tests, without the Testopel.

So ... as far as the numbers go, the pellets haven't done much of anything other than giving my ass an interesting dimple.
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After just over 30 days, I had my T levels checked as part of a scheduled physical.

Total T was 430 ... yup, that's 30 points higher than my baseline of two previous tests, without the Testopel.

So ... as far as the numbers go, the pellets haven't done much of anything other than giving my ass an interesting dimple.
That's both good and bad.

If you go to the shot, you'll know for sure if raising the level mitigates all your concerns.

But, you'll lose that cute little dimple on the cheek of your ass.

I guess you take the bad with the good.
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That's both good and bad.

If you go to the shot, you'll know for sure if raising the level mitigates all your concerns.

But, you'll lose that cute little dimple on the cheek of your ass.

I guess you take the bad with the good.
Decisions ... decisions ...

I'll have a chat with my urologist. I'm presuming this is 'unexpected'. Maybe it was loose change he put in there after all.
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FWIW - still having similar symptoms to Deejo's.

Passed the "T" test and the sleep test. Doc has me on meds for a low, but normal thyroid test and I feel no upside after 3 weeks.

Someone else mentioned Adrenal Fatigue to me. Not sure that all "modern" doctors are embracing this - but it might be something to add to your list if the other tests come out looking "normal."

Can supposedly be brought on after a prolonged period of stress (separation, divorce, lousy marriage - the stuff we deal with here).

Seeing my doc next week - will post if I get any more info.

Again - Deejo - thanks for the openness and honesty.
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FWIW - still having similar symptoms to Deejo's.

Passed the "T" test and the sleep test. Doc has me on meds for a low, but normal thyroid test and I feel no upside after 3 weeks.

Someone else mentioned Adrenal Fatigue to me. Not sure that all "modern" doctors are embracing this - but it might be something to add to your list if the other tests come out looking "normal."

Can supposedly be brought on after a prolonged period of stress (separation, divorce, lousy marriage - the stuff we deal with here).

Seeing my doc next week - will post if I get any more info.

Again - Deejo - thanks for the openness and honesty.
Given my lack of results, it is difficult to gauge, but the ADD side of the equation really hadn't changed much at all. I occasionally still will pop 10 mg of adderall if I need to be wired in at work.

Must say, as an aside ... I never cease to be amazed what impact diet and exercise can have on alertness and energy, especially in light of the ADD. It's critical for me.
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Given my lack of results, it is difficult to gauge, but the ADD side of the equation really hadn't changed much at all. I occasionally still will pop 10 mg of adderall if I need to be wired in at work.

Must say, as an aside ... I never cease to be amazed what impact diet and exercise can have on alertness and energy, especially in light of the ADD. It's critical for me.
What really, truly has me puzzled right now is how much better I feel during the act of exercise. Once I start moving, I feel great - but it doesn't seem to carry over to the next day or next hour even.

On the plus side, I'm exercising more than I have in a long time. On the downside, its aggravating because I don't feel any better overall. Very aggravating...
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It's been over a year since I first had issues with this. And only now am I starting to feel more and more like I used to. I think once these problems/symptoms get into your head it's hell getting them out. I'm not supplementing at all - just working through issues, exercising way more and resting better.
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My husband has this issue. When he first talked to his doc about it over a year ago, and they did the test his levels were about 200, or less if I remember correctly. They put him on meds, he had been on them for awhile and it seemed to help some but nothing major. He went back to his doc for a check up and they were low again, well thats because he wasn't using the medicine. His doc seems to think his is a combination of things one was the fact he drank, plus diabeties and high blood pressure run in his family as well.
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Deejo - a few commnets.

It has been a while since I have logged into this site, so cathcing up.

1) Going from 400 to 430 is not progress. Like driving 30 mph and then speeding up to 32 mph. It wont make any difference. Results you may feel are placebo.

2) Pellets, gels are the latest spin on an old product. Remarketed by drug companies to boost sales and pushed by docs as the reps buy them sports tickets.

3) The only modern advantage to gels/pellets is the shorter half lives, thus daily doses, thus steadier levels. But, injections are not that bad on levels either. It's a trade off.

4) Testing levels when using a short acting half live drug is very difficult. First, one must be taking the test at the exact same time daily for a week. Two, the tests must be pulled the exact same times between drug application and blood pulls. The shorter the half lives, the harder to get acurate reads over the long haul. I have had pulled blood daily over 7 days after shots and figured out the platues and highs.

I hope you can figure out what works for you.
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430 is well within the normal range.
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