Originally Posted by californiathought View Post
I am trying to get some perspective from some others, so I am going to type away.
My wife of about 12 years has some great qualities, but she has real trouble enjoying yourself, and I can only do so much. She complains a lot. Definitely a glass half empty kinda of person.
She will go totally off on some inconsequential thing; could be as simple as it takes her 20 minutes longer to do something; something where I might have accidentally forgotten to do something so it costs her some time. And she acts like I purposely undermined her and/or don't listen, when really it was just a misunderstanding. She constantly says I don't respect her for a multitude of reasons, mostly because of minor incidents, some she digs up out of her memory from 1,2,4 even 8 years ago. I don't feel that is the case and tell her, but she thinks my words are cheap.
Do yourself a favor, look here in the Men's Forum and learn everyting about FITNESS TESTS (and then Google "sh!t tests", same thing).
She *never* apologizes. Never. I don't she has ever apologized to me once. Obviously in 12 years of marriage, something must have been your fault, right? Meanwhile she insists on me apologizing for every perceived slight.
All men reading this, do NOT get into the habit of apologizing to your women.
If, and only if, you do something so terrible once in a blue moon, then maybe MAYBE utter an apology or regret.
OTherwise, it is too much to lose to fall into the child/mother relationship instead of the proper man/woman relationship, which WILL happen when it even APPEARS that you as a man must grovel or defer for the approval of your woman.
Looking like a child in your woman's eyes, 1000 times worse than forgetting to buy the milk, or forgetting to call, or whatever some particular complaint may be.
For sex, I was so tired of everything had to be her way, and if something turned me on that she didn't like, it was perverted. I mean, I am talking like she wear sexy lingerie, or heels, not crazy sh*t. So finally I took that attitude of, fine, whatever, you come to me for sex. So we haven't been having much sex, and of course she blames me for us having a crappy sex life now.
So what even if it was perverted?
My experience, a woman will often put up resistance to new ideas or requests or demands or say something is weird or perverted because she is insecure, or is not sure she can "pull it off".
IT is up to you as a man to not back down on these things, because if you do, it subtley reinforces to your woman that maybe she is not pretty or sexy enough for the stockings or heels or lingerie or whatever.
THat is why she is blaming you now, because inside her she wanted you to stand up for what you really wanted.
Again, this is all merely form of fitness testing.
She is very controlling, and it frustrates her to no end that I don't let her control me. I still do things with my friends, and have certain hobbies and music I like, that she doesn't like that I like (not just that she doesn't like them herself). One time we were arguing and she was just yelling and yelling and finally to get her off of me I literally had to shout back louder, "You will not dominate me!" She was so taken aback, she finally shut up. But the fact I had to shout that shows how controlling she wants to be.
She is just insecure.
It is good that you did not back down on this issue, but work on not backing down without resorting to yelling or other means that tends to indicate you are letting her get you unbalanced.
Being calm, confident, even humorous, while not backing down and still doing what you want, is the key of winning her respect AND calming her insecurity.
We have twins about 2 years old, and she is stay at home. I work long long hours (minimum 50 hours a week, sometimes as much as 80) to provide for the family, but it's the old story of I don't do enough. I don't clean the house enough, mostly. Granted she does most of the laundry and cleaning, and watches the kid during the day, but I do my own laundry, and do about a third of the housecleaning. But I also take care of the yard and the maintenance of the house. So lots of painting and this and that. In the course of owning our house (5 years) I feel like I have put on 120 gallons of primer and paint and varnish. But she discounts this as one and done kind of chores, not regular work like laundry. And carpentry work, this and that. You know how it is when you own a house.
More sh!t testing.
And this, do NOT let her become your task master.
Stand up for yourself, insist calmly that you WILL take time out for your own relaxation.
And if need be, give her a task or two every now and then.
THis often enough for a man to wake his woman up from the illusion of her thinking she is his mother.
She constantly complains and then sometimes gets in one of her moods that she never should have married me. She used to throw the divorce word around, until it pissed me off so much that I was like, fine, lets do it. Now she doesn't use the divorce word.
So you know from this how to stop this kind complaining in the future. Excellent!
I used to have a temper and we would get in shouting matches, but now that we have kids, I don't want them to learn that, so I speak during a disagreement to her evenly and calmly about 95% of the time (the other 5% I still can't take it and shout or snip back). I thought that it would wear off on her, but and it has to some degree, but she still goes off sometimes.
Don't expect anything to "wear off on her", she is not another man, do not think in those ways.
INstead, do not be afriad or timid to make it clear, in a calm and confident manner, how you expect to be communicated to, regardless of whether children are around or not.
THis issue is about respect. Right now, she has little for you. Change this.
What can I do to make her less of a complainer? We are fortunate to have healthy babies, financially secure, no debt except a mortgage and car payment. A lot to be happy about. We take vacations and travel, which we enjoy; but there is something about the pressure of making flights or needing to get someplace that sometimes sets her off. Some little driving mistake that costs us 5 minutes can make her totally lose it. I am the sort of person that is like, oops, that wasn't the right street, it's an alley. Oh well, let's turn around and get back on the right road, and I will find the funny in it. In her sometimes it just makes her seethe.
She is habitually late as well. Another passive/aggressive trait. She constantly brings up something that pisses her off from years ago in an argument, like maybe I recycled some old magazines that she didn't want recycled. Mundane stuff like that.
I admittedly have given up buying her gifts, because they are never right. Usually now for her birthday or anniversary she buys something for herself and then gives it to me to give to her. Whatever, I say to that. Recently I bought us tickets to a concert to a band I knew she liked, and she was like, why did you do that?? I would have rather seen a different band that was playing a few months ago, why didn't you think of that? Afterwards going to the band I did buy tickets for she did say she had a great time.
She also is a procrastinator and blames me for her not getting things done. Ironically she loves scheduling and listing and planning for things, while I have more of a go with the flow style.
Any suggestions on how to make this glass half empty wife less negative? Am I missing something?
All this, is three things.
She is insecure (nagging, complaining, perfectionism, etc).
Because she is insecure she is firing a massive amount of fitness tests to you.
Because you missing most of these fitness tests, she has little respect for you.
So fix these things!
First, make d@mn sure you have put away all your temper issues from the past.
A man who is in control of himself and his environment, with such a man a woman is not insecure. A man who is not in control, whether of emotions and yes, temper, will inside his woman feed insecurity.
In this Men's Forum, study "Fitness Tests", and google "Sh!t test"
ONce you understand these things, and have put in place whatever needs to be put in place (from yor post indeed you sound like a good husband, a good father, and a good man), then STOP TAKING SH!T from your woman.
Yes, even to the point you make it clear to her "the door is right there", just like you did with the "divorce" nonsense.
Once it is clear you are the man with the mettle that he expects respect, and will have respect one way or the other, then inside your woman her insecurity is indeed replaced by respect and attraction.
And do not back down on your sexual appetites either.
Hard to say how much of this is rooted in the bedroom situation, and how much could be VERY quickly resolved by you making YOUR desires and expectations known, and even being a bit ****y and proud at how perverted you really are -- why stop at just heels and lingerie! (but you have GOT to stand your ground and be confident and bold concerning your desires.)
From your post, this much is certain, your woman WANTS to see you stand up to her.
I wish you well.