Deejo is also single now and I'm guessing from time to time wishes things were different and his family was back together. Manning up just made the end more acceptable but it didn't actually get him what he wanted. To do that you'd have to actually change the woman he fell in love with and no amount of manning up is ever going to do that. Key point that is always missing in any of these manning up posts.
I was a whiny ***** for a while when I was being cheated on an disrespected. Then I manned up. Then I became single. Then I met an awesome woman and fell in love with her and she me. I started the relationship on a whole other foot, right this time. It's been great so far, and I now possess the knowledge to keep this one from going so quickly off the rails. So yeah, manning up can change the woman I fell in love with into another, better one.
In the past, men were men just by nature, and they set an example for their sons. Funny how the divorce rate is at historic highs now, after 3 decades of men becoming "equal" to women, especially in America, where misguided feminism is rampant, but hopefully in decline at last.
Oh I get it! It's not manipulation it's a poker game! Duh me!
Of course it's manipulation. So? Wearing lipstick manipulates the man's subconscious into believing she is more fertile than she actually is. Now you're going to tell me you don't wear lipstick. Being "nice" is in any case far more manipulative, when what he really wants is to get laid.
What part of "boldness and confidence > neediness and approval-seeking" bothers you?
I'm sorry that guys wife cheated on him, but my wife just isn't capable of that. I'm sure you're thinking "yeah right, you don't even know she's probably doing it right now, haha." I can bet my life on it that she isn't and would never. Even if I made no effort what so ever to change my attitude or behavior she would rather be miserable or eventually divorce me before she did that. There are some people who are capable of somethings while others just are not. I'm sure you don't agree with that, but whatever you seem to have all the answers.
I never said I was ignoring your advice. Maybe you didn't take the time to read my post saying how I appreciate everyone's input and I'm going to read the book because I'm sure it has some relevant and useful information. But as with any book or article I can call BS on what I'm reading. Did I say love languages was the end all be all? No, just said I thought there would be some useful info inside too.
I came to the forum for some insight and I'm getting some but I don't have to drink all the kool-aid. Some of you guys seem like you got the **** kicked out of you and now your Steven Segal "Out to Kill". I'm sure I'm reading too much into your post as well, but that's how it comes across.
HAVE A NICE DAY!
Every woman is capable of falling out of love. Is that what you want?
The reason guys take a hard-core stance on here is that you are at point A. You need to get to point B. If we discuss this from point C, we might be able to pull your views over to B. But if we pull from point B, where we really are, you won't get there. In other words, there is no need discussing the things we agree on, just the things we've seen over and over. "not capable". Pffft.
I was a whiny ***** for a while when I was being cheated on an disrespected. Then I manned up. Then I became single. Then I met an awesome woman and fell in love with her and she me. I started the relationship on a whole other foot, right this time. It's been great so far, and I now possess the knowledge to keep this one from going so quickly off the rails. So yeah, manning up can change the woman I fell in love with into another, better one.
In the past, men were men just by nature, and they set an example for their sons. Funny how the divorce rate is at historic highs now, after 3 decades of men becoming "equal" to women, especially in America, where misguided feminism is rampant, but hopefully in decline at last.
Yes, it is very sad that many women would rather be alone raising children, working two jobs and struggling than with a **** of a husband. If given choices, women in unhappy relationships, will begin to choose to get out. We did this all awhile back in another thread. Currently in Japan women are divorcing their husbands more and more and all that had to happen to make that unfold is women's employment equaling more choices for women.
I won't make this about feminism or equality. If you want happy relationships men and women will have to face one another and recognize that both of their needs have to recognized and met in their relationship. If it leans too far in either direction and there is a choice to get out, one or the other will leave.
Of course it's manipulation. So? Wearing lipstick manipulates the man's subconscious into believing she is more fertile than she actually is. Now you're going to tell me you don't wear lipstick. Being "nice" is in any case far more manipulative, when what he really wants is to get laid.
What part of "boldness and confidence > neediness and approval-seeking" bothers you?
Uh...seriously? The big difference being men are aware they are being manipulated by the makeup.
Uh...seriously? The big difference being men are aware they are being manipulated by the makeup.
Yeah. You're not selling me.
Um . . . no, actually, most men aren't. They see "pretty face" and their brains pretty much stop there. Not that they don't appreciate the over-all effect -- they do -- but they aren't consciously aware of it, nor are they usually aware of the hair-toss, the baring of the neck, or any of the other subtextual gestures that women employ to manipulate men. They just think the woman in question is being nice to him by showing him some attention, and that usually is the end of their awareness.
Really. Most of us don't even realize y'all shave your legs, until confronted with evidence that you don't.
Um . . . no, actually, most men aren't. They see "pretty face" and their brains pretty much stop there. Not that they don't appreciate the over-all effect -- they do -- but they aren't consciously aware of it, nor are they usually aware of the hair-toss, the baring of the neck, or any of the other subtextual gestures that women employ to manipulate men. They just think the woman in question is being nice to him by showing him some attention, and that usually is the end of their awareness.
Really. Most of us don't even realize y'all shave your legs, until confronted with evidence that you don't.
And women are the ones who are lacking in reason and brains?
I do hope you can see the difference between knowingly choosing to manipulate a person by withholding information and practicing behaviors openly to remain attractive to your husband.
Um . . . no, actually, most men aren't. They see "pretty face" and their brains pretty much stop there. Not that they don't appreciate the over-all effect -- they do -- but they aren't consciously aware of it, nor are they usually aware of the hair-toss, the baring of the neck, or any of the other subtextual gestures that women employ to manipulate men. They just think the woman in question is being nice to him by showing him some attention, and that usually is the end of their awareness.
Really. Most of us don't even realize y'all shave your legs, until confronted with evidence that you don't.
Damnit Ironwood! All this time I thought wit and charm mattered but all I really needed to do was slick on red lipstick, jack my tits to Jesus and toss my hair?
I'm being serious here....men are THAT easy?
Damnit Ironwood! All this time I thought wit and charm mattered but all I really needed to do was slick on red lipstick, jack my tits to Jesus and toss my hair?
I'm being serious here....men are THAT easy?
Re: "You can't tell me why you love me" 
