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Dismantling Feminism - Karen Straughan

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Uh-oh! I am sure in short order "Quality" will be along to denigrate Karen Straughan because she is divorced (gasp!). Since her marriage was a failure, everything she has to say is tainted! We must always remember that no one ever should learn from their mistakes or anyone else's!
Please be advised that those are not my views. I actually agree with much of what she has said.
 
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Uh-oh! I am sure in short order "Quality" will be along to denigrate Karen Straughan because she is divorced (gasp!). Since her marriage was a failure, everything she has to say is tainted! We must always remember that no one ever should learn from their mistakes or anyone else's!
Now you've done it. Because you just know he's consulting his binders even as we speak to get the goods on you, too.
 
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She is just another stupid women who is so desperate for men to like her that she becomes one of the bros. Pathetic. She parrots the hate filled rhetoric of insecure, weak haters who are threatened by the lost of control over women.

America has a problem with women. That's obvious given the vicious push back Clinton is facing. It's a product of the cultural acceptance of hostility towards women. This is especially true among the moralizing, family-value conservatives.

The wonderful implosion at Fox News is a case in point. Those fine, upstanding conservatives, representatives of family and moral values. They want to return to the past before good American values were eroded by the rise of feminism.

Their hypocrisy is exposed and they inadvertently further the cause of feminism. Feminist don't need to do a thing, these fools do it for them. They are the ones who should be hated for the lost of male power.

These moral men want a return to a past that allowed them free access to any women who they lusted after, with or without their consent. Their message has nothing to do with a return to the great America of the past, it's all a ploy to satisfy their out of control lust for women.

We don't need their form of immoral values. Control was not taken from men like these, they lost it because they abuse it whenever they have it. They repeatedly prove themselves to be incapable of trust and need to have checks imposed on their power and control.
 
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Blue part I agree with. Red part? No. Hostility towards women? Women are getting better and better treatment than men everyday. That is why people hate modern day feminism. It isn't about equality anymore like the first wave was, it's about debasing men, like revenge for the past. I believe in complementarianism. Male and female together is how the world will go forward prosperously not one gender trying to one-up the other.
 
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Maybe your are right. But do you think I should not say what I think because the men on TAM will not like me? Don't worry, my self-esteem is intact. I get enough positive feedback IRL.

I'm here for the mental stimulation with people who know more than I do. Although I am a woman, my agenda has nothing to do male attention or the lack thereof.
 
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You are under the belief that if you repeat a thing again and again then it becomes truth. You got this stuff from reading some hate filled blog or from someone who repeated the unfounded allegation derived from a hate filled blog.

I know because You use exactly the same phrases and words that the haters use. You memorized the scrip. However, if you think it is true why can't you use your own words and your personal knowledge of you allegations.

I'll use the term men to generalize in the same fashion you use the term women.

Tell me something. How are men being treated worst than women when they are free to commit crimes against women and get away with it? Apparently men have judges in their pocket if current evens have any validity. .

Men make more money than women for the same work. Men are chosen for jobs over women with the same qualifications. If women are given preferential treatment why are the stats still so dismal. I call that being treated very well. What do you want, women doing the grunt work and not competing with men?

Why do men like the ones at Fox think they can get away with their illegal and disrespectful treatment of women. Because they were fearful of getting caught? Did they fear the women would report them?

If men think women are treated better then they won't fix the problems. It is up to women to do it. Is that considered revenge on men? Like every single law that has been passed in this country improving the treatment of women.

How would you want your daughter to be treated? She feels she should not be in danger of rape or discrimination on the basis of her gender. Do you tell her that she has more advantages than men so she not be concerned?
 
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You are under the belief that if you repeat a thing again and again then it becomes truth. You got this stuff from reading some hate filled blog or from someone who repeated the unfounded allegation derived from a hate filled blog.

I know because You use exactly the same phrases and words that the haters use. You memorized the scrip. However, if you think it is true why can't you use your own words and your personal knowledge of you allegations.

I'll use the term men to generalize in the same fashion you use the term women.

Tell me something. How are men being treated worst than women when they are free to commit crimes against women and get away with it? Men commit crimes against men and get away with it too. Apparently men have judges in their pocket if current evens have any validity. . So you are a conspiracy theorist then?

Men make more money than women for the same work.Prove it. I've heard people say that but I haven't actually seen it. Men are chosen for jobs over women with the same qualifications. It's simple math: a man will take less time off. A woman will get pregnant and such. Math not sexism. It's business after all. Blame biology. If women are given preferential treatment why are the stats still so dismal. Which stats? I call that being treated very well. What do you want, women doing the grunt work and not competing with men? I don't even know what you are saying here.

Why do men like the ones at Fox think they can get away with their illegal and disrespectful treatment of women. You watch Fox?! Because they were fearful of getting caught? Did they fear the women would report them? Again, you watch FOX?!

If men think women are treated better then they won't fix the problems. What problem are you referring to? It is up to women to do it. Is that considered revenge on men? Like every single law that has been passed in this country improving the treatment of women.

How would you want your daughter to be treated? No, as I said, she should get equal treatment. Not trying to put men down especially since her father is one. She feels she should not be in danger of rape or discrimination on the basis of her gender. Do you tell her that she has more advantages than men so she not be concerned? I tell her safe practises to minimise the chance of rape happening and keep an open line of communication if anyone close, like family, is interfering with her.
 
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You misinterpreted the meaning of my post. I meant that if you feel this way flesh it out by explaining why.

I don't want you to get banned, who will I have to discuss and understand. :(

Not all posts that express strong feelings means that there are hostile feelings towards you or anyone. Strong options brings out strong responses.

Who knows what I may read that will alter my thoughts. It has happened many times and I look forwards to future changes.
 
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Abuse will always be there, all people can do is become wiser & smarter to spot the signs in relationships.

The rise in violence from women towards men is increasing.
A lot of men are afraid to go to the police or press charges because they will look weak.

Real equailty has to fair for it to work for both sexes.
And if you look at the scales of balance, women have a lot more rights these days & today some women abuse those rights. Just as some men would.

I have been raped in my past, but not all men are rapists, the majority of men are good.
My husband was also verbally abused by women in his past & was afraid to voice it.

































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Feminism and the Men’s Rights Movement have a lot of things in common. One of them is that there is a group of outliers who say outlandish things to get attention.

When a person says something like “Dismantling Feminism”, what exactly are they saying? What is it that they want to dismantle? Does this mean that they want women to no longer be able to get an education? No longer be able to make a good living? Do they want to go back to the days when women could not own property? “Feminism” is a huge tent. There is no one organization or one person who is the spokesperson for “feminism”. So I have no idea what “dismantling feminism” means. Since every woman today benefits from the changes brought about by feminism, what is it that you want to take away from women? What part of their lives do you want to “dismantle”?
 
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I watched a few minute of the Karen Straughan video about “male disposability". I found it very typical of the tripe that’s all over the internet. Pick any topic, any movement, and there are a whole lot of people out there on the internet trying to get fame by talking about their point of view. Most of them use facts pretty loosely. Most are going for the emotional reaction. Karen is not much different from the whole lot of them. I could not watch much of her… her smirky, nasty tone is enough make her hard to watch.


I’m going to address just a few of her points to show how she plays fast and loose with facts and realty. If she’s this bad in the first few minutes, I’m not wasting any of what’s left of my life listening to this nonsense.

She says that when it comes to the wellbeing of others, men come last.

Life boats… “women and children first”.. Apparently this was only the case with the HMS Birkenhead and the Titanic. It’s not maritime law, nor maritime custom. The custom is historically “Every man for himself.” Apparently, actual historic data debunks the idea that there has ever been a ‘women and children first” code on ships.

?Women and Children First?? On Sinking Ships, It?s Every Man for Himself - History in the Headlines


Who gets to eat: I don’t know where she gets the idea that women and children eat first. There are two cultural ways that I’ve seen this done. The one that is prevalent now in the more westernized countries, everyone sits down and eats together. In many 3rd world cultures, even today, men eat first. The women cook and serve the men. Once the men are done eating, the women and children can eat whatever is left over. I guess maybe the women who cooked did get to eat a bit while they cooked.

Now let’s look at the point she tried to make that someone is making a big deal out of more women getting hurt now on the job. She, of course misrepresented, the data. She claims that it’s because there are now fewer men on the job so now more women are being injured on the job. Well, that’s not exactly (or at all) what the report says.

What the report does say, instead, is that through all the work that has been done to make people safer on the job, it apparently worked well in DECREASING male injuries on the job. Apparently these are men working at jobs where there are mostly men. But the number of injuries suffered by women at work has not gone down. The study further says that it looks like the reason for this is that there are a high number of women working in the health industry (nurses, etc). And the health industry has a high rate of injury. Since there is a very high number of women in the health care industry, it makes sense that there would be a large number of women being injured in the health industry. Add to that the kind of work they do and it makes sense. This is not some male vs female thing. This is an objective look by safety professionals at what areas/industries need to work on reducing safety concerns. (The woman in that video misrepresented what this was all about.)


Injury rates for women not getting any better, says WorkSafeBC report

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@EunuchMonk

Yes, I watch Fox. Although I don't subscribe to their theology, I find some of their ideas worth considering. I was referring to the sexual harassment allegations that they are dealing with at present. If true, it is very disappointing.

I thought the Fox News organization was sincere in their belief that higher moral standards in our country would benefit our quality of life. I agree with them in that respect. It is sad that they don't seem to believe it themselves.

The judges in pockets statement was hyperbole. I was referring to the light sentences imposed upon convinced rapist by judges in two recent cases.

I don't believe that the criminals had a direct illegal influence on judges. They do have the sympathy of male judges and the rape victims do not. That is not fair and equal treatment.

That Straughan woman and ones like her really annoy me. Her stated goal is to narrow the gulf between men and women. However, her hidden agenda is to widen it, IMO.

I found her statements about differential treatment of boy babies by their mothers particularly offensive. What she is describing is systematic abuse of boy babies. What a horrible unfounded accusation and one designed to provoke exactly the type of response I wrote.

I didn't watch the rest of the video.

My reactive post is evidence of how easy it is to fall into the trap of divisive invective. I am sorry I wrote such a negative post. It certainly does not help.

There is no country in the world that has successfully integrated so diverse a population into one identity. We are forging a path in completely uncharted territory.

We made a great deal of progress in coming together but there is still work to be done. Balancing fair treatment and opportunity for men and women is a delicate task. Sometimes we go too far in one direction sometimes not enough.

It is impossible to measure the effect of policy alterations until they are implemented. I don't think there is intentional unfair treatment of men but that does not mean that it should not be corrected.
 
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Read the whole story. Several prominent women associated with Fox News came forward with allegations.

It seems that there are so many fat old dogs in heat in the news room that it's more like a stray dog pound than a serious news organization.

BTW that one person was the head and founder of Fox News. He is morally corrupt and his stain spreads throughout the colossus that he created. Cause and effect. A meal made with dirty hands is tainted.
 
#43 ·
I assume you are referring to me. Where did I indicate who I was supporting. Should I blindly follow one or the other candidate without thoughtful analysis.

We face one of the most serious periods in our elective history. Two candidates who, for different reasons, would be dangerous in the office of the President.

You never asked but I will tell you that between the two, I think Trump may be the lesser of two evils. Although he is a clown and bigot, he is so obvious that we may be able to limit the damage he can do.

He has not had a chance nor shown a talent for forming deep ties with dangerous political operatives. His friends are like him, crude, simple, stupid, corrupt and incompetent. They will not be difficult to control and manipulate.

The real fight is on the state and local level. When either of these two get into office, there should be a strong congress to keep them in check.

There is every reason to poke holes when you see hypocrisy. Much of the criticism of Clinton centers around things that have nothing to do with her political activities. Her looks, dress, age, sex appeal or lack thereof are frequent topic.

Trump looks like Humpty Dumpty with a Bozo the Clown wig. Every pic of his face shows another hideous distortion of the human visage. He is one butt ugly thing and he gesticulates like a fancy pants.

The comedy of his appearance is rarely brought up. Yes, America has a big problem with women. I am not basing my decisions on intractable gender issues, as you can plainly see.
 
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I want America to go back to the Spartan ideals.

Keep American men and women separate for life. Men will be warriors and sexual drones and serve in the government...that's it. All American males will be taken from their families at six years of age and sent to camps where they will have no contact with women and spend the next twenty five years getting a very basic education (because men aren't as smart as women you know) training daily to fight and make war.

American girls will have total social freedom. They will receive excellent educations, have complete social freedom, and can own and sell their own property, go where they want to at will.... When they grow up they will have freedom to divorce their husbands for the slightest infractions. Their job will be to run their husband's estates and bear as many male warriors as they can. They will enjoy much more social freedom than their husbands, who's lives will be centered on daily training and duty to the Army.

The men will live out their lives in the military camps, away from their wives, and only visit their wives and children at night and on certain days of the week when it is allowed. They have to be back at the barracks by curfew each night. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, there will be less bickering between couples, and the men won't wear on their wive's nerves. Because there are no male children in the home, it will be only mothers and daughters, so it will be a completely maternalistic environment where women can enjoy all the goodness of being female without male interference.

Oh, and sexual polyamory is accepted and even encouraged by the state, so that women can have sex with virile men of their choosing so that they can bear the strongest male children possible. The only caveat is that they must get their husband's permission, which would be easy since their marriage is nothing more than a business arrangement anyway. Romantic love is suppressed. It is all about keeping a steady population for the purpose of going to war.

Foreigners will be brought in to run the industries, maintain the infrastructure, and grow crops. They will be held in check under fear of immediate attack by the army.

Sounds good doesn't it?
 
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The schools for my profession did not admit women in any appreciable numbers until the 70's.

Feminism was directly responsible for the initiation of those changes. However, there is one thing that is not celebrated enough, it could never have happened without the cooperation and active assistance of men.

Conversely, it would never have happened were it not for the women who were brave enough to buck the social norms in the first place.
 
#56 ·
When I started in college 1968, I was not allowed to take the courses that I wanted to in math and engineering. I was told that women could not do that. When I went back to college in 1980, I was finally allowed to get the degree I wanted.

I now women lawyers who in the 1960's and 1970's could not get jobs as attorneys. They could only get jobs as legal secretaries.

If anyone things that feminism had nothing to do with education and career fields opening up to women, they are clueless.

However, it is also true that some men had to go along with it for this to happen. And many of those men were also feminists, or at least astute enough to realize that what was going on prior was just plain wrong.
 
#57 ·
Men and women will not be punished for the seismic social evolution of the preceding 50 years.

One thing that will not change is the evolutionary pressure for humans to have children and nurture them to raise future generations. Their genes will survive along with their flexibility and positive pairing traits. The genes of people who can't adjust will die off.

Social and cultural changes usually evolve over a few centuries not 50 yrs. It's disorienting for many people but it will all come right.
 
#58 ·
One thing that people seem to overlook is that women have always been part of the work force. For most of man kind's existence on earth, women have worked just as hard as men. And there were few jobs working for employers. A couple simply worked side by side, be it farming, weaving, or whatever they did. Both worked.

With the industrial revolution, most people moved off the farm. AT first mostly men worked for employers. But it only makes sense for women to do as they have always done... work right along side men. And since the industrial revolution, an education and job skills have become more and more important, for both men and women.

If we want to remain an advanced civilization, we have to have equal rights and women need to be as productive as men... just as they always have been. Only now women can get credit for the work they do.
 
#60 ·
Yes they do.

Even today, in 3rd world countries where women still work the fields, the farm, make their clothing, etc., the gov only counts the effort of the men working on that same farm as GDP or workforce. The work done by women is not counted and not considered of importance. Yet the economies of those countries and the wellbeing of the society would plummet without the work of the women. It takes everyone to keep a society going.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-N9daqANcw&index=8&list=PLbA7X2U_AzlKZhRkaHH-cJgRq9azNygpV




In the above clip, she says that (married) women only wear make-up outside the house because they want to attract sexual attention from men other than their husbands??

She says that this is why women don't wear make-up at home. Or why they sit around at home in sweat pants and partly washed off smudgy make-up.

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Before I was married, I would sit around at home, and not wear make-up

Before I was married, I would sit around home with sweatpants and smudgy,partly washed off mascara.

Before and after I was married, I would apply make-up for fun--with no-one around to see me or admire me.

I wear make-up to look my best---for every other human being who will see me. Men, women, children. Married people, single people, divorced people.

I admire women who put their make-up on, wear nice jewelry, have pretty hair and who smell good. I am not sexually attracted to them. To put it simply; they are more pleasant to be around.

I feel sorry that men can't wear make-up to improve themselves. To a large extent, they are "stuck" with what looks they have naturally.

Karen Straughan also brings up the old chestnut about women not valuing men for their looks, that men are only valuable for what they do.

^^^^Not true. Sure, men are valuable for what they do. But men are only sexually attractive if you find them to be good-looking.

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I babysat for a family (in the 1970's) who instructed me to feed their son eggs and bacon; and their daughters generic-type Cheerios with reconstituted nonfat milk powder. So this, "men always eat last" is pure nonsense.


We ignore male children, and let them cry as infants,unattended; while we rush to reassure female babies????

Never heard of this. I always treated kids I looked after (and I looked after a lot) exactly the same. If I had a favorite, it was a little boy; who almost made me think I would like to have kids of my own one day.

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I agree with what Catherine602 said upthread, this Karen Straughan want to score points with the guys by criticizing women.
 
#66 ·
@NotMyRealName
Some of what she is saying about the Make-up is definitely BS.
I don't wear it for other men, I wear it for me!
And feeding men last?
I grew up in a household where the women always ate last!
I still do that, look after my husband before myself.
Even the male cat gets his dinner before me! [emoji3]


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#67 ·
And you (and your mom) probably do the thing, where, if one of something turns out bad; you eat that one.

One of the pancakes turned out bad, "I'll eat that one".

Two apples, one is bruised, "He can have the good one, I'll just cut the bruised part out and eat the other one".


I don't think my husband would even be happy that I do that; it's just something that women do, almost automatically.
 
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