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post #16 of 89 (permalink) Old 11-02-2016, 09:10 AM
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I like these ones better!
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There is a theory that men are more protected against the bonding hormones released during sex because their higher testosterone levels block some of the effects. These are some of the same hormones released when bonding with a child.

If this theory is correct then it makes sense these men would be more bonded to their wives and children then men with higher testosterone levels who are more immune to the effects of bonding hormones. These guys may actually be more willing to invest in their children, and be considered better fathers, because of the effects of the bonding hormones they are now less immune to.
I do understand the theory behind it. I just think it is dangerous to basically imply that if two fathers are standing next to each other, one pudgy, the other in good shape, the pudgy one must be the better father willing to invest more time in his children.
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That study should have come with photos of the authors. What do YOU think they look like?


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I am doomed. He must have used my biometrics and my story.

Problem:
I will be back. Next year, or in another life.

He said nothing about Foxy Mate Attraction. Vixens love Alphas
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Which cohort dies at a higher rate in Wars, in Traffic accidents, in all other Accidents, are Murdered, or are in jail for Murder or other Felonies? Which group participates more in risky behavior?

The Lean and Mean Alphas and their wanna-bees'

Their chubbier fellows are more tame and do live longer. For this reason they pass on more of their genes. I agree with the chemical/hormonal aspects of behavior and its effect on longevity.

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The Western World is becoming more chubby, both men and women. The Third World? No. And they are hungry, anxious and violent prone. The alpha males dominate those societies.

Can the West stand up to this threat?

Will we allow our Alpha Men to guard the Gates and the Wall. Will we let them do their job? What will be the "Rules of Engagement"?

If we do allow MEN to be MEN then more of their cohort will die, leaving more [numerical and genetic] Jodies to guard the Nest.

Rome Fell, when the coffers went empty, when available land became scarce [land offered to soldiers], when Alpha Romans were killed off, when corruption/debauchery killed the Nationalist Spirit, when lead got into their drinking, water, when available defenders were Mercenaries and when Third World Alpha Huns stormed the Gate. The Huns burned and razed everything. They also raped every women they could. They replenished the weakened genes with those of the Savage. Does this sound familiar, Dear Westerners, Mr and Mrs. America?

I fear, do you?

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The article never makes the claim that pudgy guys are more attractive to women beyond the title.

Probably because they're not.

In the article it's not even discussed....unless I missed it.

All it claimed is that pudgy guys invest more time in their children, which even if true doesn't mean they're attractive.

Sounds like a crap article with a headline made up to get people to click.
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I agree. Physical fitness and looks are what make a woman notice a man in the first place.
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I like these ones better!
The red-haired guy, upper right, has my body. Except I have a bigger chest and shoulders. And I'm prettier.
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I do understand the theory behind it. I just think it is dangerous to basically imply that if two fathers are standing next to each other, one pudgy, the other in good shape, the pudgy one must be the better father willing to invest more time in his children.
Absolutely, because an individual man doesn't necessarily have more or less testosterone than his differently shaped counterpart. But, in general, they might be on to something. Might.

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I like these ones better!
Ironically, my physique was in line with these guys a good 6+ years ago. I carried my weight well, didn't have a massive gut or anything like that. I probably qualified more as strong/fat, most people would say I looked like a football player or an officer (Not Carl Winslow lol). The reality though, I was overweight, I was obese. Running around with the kids I would get out of breathe, my shins would hurt, my cholesterol was high, etc... One day I woke up, said enough was enough, and got my $hit together. Over the following 6+ months I dropped nearly 50lbs, got stronger and in better shape (over time I have slowly add back on some weight as the 50lbs dropped was a bit too much and not maintainable). At this point now I am much leaner and have a lot more muscle (sorry, I am not Men's Health magazine ready nor do I care to be) . Guess what, it also means I am able to do more with my kids physically. My bloodwork came back spotless so my odds of developing diabetes (which runs in my family) or other health issues has dropped. "Performance wise" with my W, there is a notable improvement as well.

Now, I am not trying to toot my own horn here. The problem, there are guys who will read this article, convince themselves they don't need to take care of their health b/c according to the article pudgy guys live longer, women love them more, and they are better dads. Given the growing issue in society with obesity and related health concerns. it just seems like the wrong approach to take.
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The red-haired guy, upper right, has my body. Except I have a bigger chest and shoulders. And I'm prettier.
Hahahaha, I told you in your thread that I have always been attracted to men built as you describe yourself!

I watched a Vice show called Gaycation where our host traveled to a Bear convention on the East coast. Nothing but large furry men as far as the camera could see. Best. Show. EVER! We need a hetero version of Bear conventions so, so, bad.

It's true that physical appearance is what first attracts us to a potential lover or mate, but that doesn't have to mean only "fit" men below a certain weight-height ratio are attractive.

Follow the evidence where it leads and question everything.
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The problem, there are guys who will read this article, convince themselves they don't need to take care of their health b/c according to the article pudgy guys live longer, women love them more, and they are better dads. Given the growing issue in society with obesity and related health concerns. it just seems like the wrong approach to take.
There is a difference between strong-fat and just plain obese.

Beyond that, I suppose it's just like everything else. If a pudgy man decides to lose weight, some women are going to pass him up because he isn't the cuddly bear they want. If a fit man gains weight, some women are going to pass him up because he isn't the gym rat they want. A guy's best bet seems to be the man he wants to be and look for a woman who likes that.

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There is a difference between strong-fat and just plain obese.

Beyond that, I suppose it's just like everything else. If a pudgy man decides to lose weight, some women are going to pass him up because he isn't the cuddly bear they want. If a fit man gains weight, some women are going to pass him up because he isn't the gym rat they want. A guy's best bet seems to be the man he wants to be and look for a woman who likes that.
Not really, strong/fat still takes into account a decent amount of fat. Yeah, it is better then being fat/fat, but still fat nonetheless lol

Per the bolded though, at least in my case, we are talking about people in relationships, not a single guy looking for someone. Hopefully a wife wouldn't dump his H or SO b/c he got healthier and is no longer quite as cuddly

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Well you know how it is, driving in a big nail is easier with a heavier hammer....

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There is a difference between strong-fat and just plain obese.

Beyond that, I suppose it's just like everything else. If a pudgy man decides to lose weight, some women are going to pass him up because he isn't the cuddly bear they want. If a fit man gains weight, some women are going to pass him up because he isn't the gym rat they want. A guy's best bet seems to be the man he wants to be and look for a woman who likes that.
This is so true.

We are what we are.

Those that are at the edges [thinner section] of the Bell Curve have lots of room for improvement.

Those in the middle.....not so much.

Oops, wait a minute! The post about living healthier [Ellis Reading] is also true. In today's ERA and today's Culture, our weights are climbing, our collective health is being damaged by poor life choices.

It is a battle for getting the most out of life and getting the most life out of birth. SunCMars

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Not really, strong/fat still takes into account a decent amount of fat. Yeah, it is better then being fat/fat, but still fat nonetheless lol

Per the bolded though, at least in my case, we are talking about people in relationships, not a single guy looking for someone. Hopefully a wife wouldn't dump his H or SO b/c he got healthier and is no longer quite as cuddly
I would.

I am naturally not sexually attracted to men who are under a certain weight-height ratio and never have been. Since sex is a crucial part of marriage, I don't see myself staying married to a man I am no longer physically attracted to.

In case anyone is wondering, this is why I don't get on the case of men who are no longer sexually attracted to their wives once they gain a certain amount of weight or people who only date certain races. Sexual attraction is involuntary. We all have a type and we cannot change that by conscious decision. Since marriage is a sexual relationship, I just don't see the point to marrying or staying married to a person who isn't sexually appealing regardless of the reason why.

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I would.

I am naturally not sexually attracted to men who are under a certain weight-height ratio and never have been. Since sex is a crucial part of marriage, I don't see myself staying married to a man I am no longer physically attracted to.

In case anyone is wondering, this is why I don't get on the case of men who are no longer sexually attracted to their wives once they gain a certain amount of weight or people who only date certain races. Sexual attraction is involuntary. We all have a type and we cannot change that by conscious decision. Since marriage is a sexual relationship, I just don't see the point to marrying or staying married to a person who isn't sexually appealing regardless of the reason why.
On the other end of the spectrum, if my W let herself go or got above a certain weight, it would kill my physical attraction to her, so I understand where you are coming from.
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