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post #61 of 71 (permalink) Old 02-12-2017, 12:05 PM Thread Starter
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No, I can't do it. I'm nearing 30, if I want to have a functional family and kids in my lifetime I can't waste my time with someone so self centered and childish
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Pag, thanks for the detailed response to my list of 18 BPD warning signs. I agree that you are describing behaviors that match most of those red flags.

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#3-Cant stand my family because of their religious beliefs. Repeatedly will say "bible thumpers" when referring to them. Has no desire to be around them. Has labeled all my friends "bad influences" despite the fact that she can to to Colorado and smoke weed, and go to bars.
Yes, that is a good example of her trying to isolate you away from your friends and family, i.e., away from your support network. The best example of her irrational jealousy, however, is an incident you described earlier. Specifically, you told her about a sexual hookup that had occurred before you started dating her exclusively and she became very jealous of that woman -- moreover, she continues to beat you over the head with that false allegation (of "cheating") two years later.

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Pag, if your W is a BPDer as you suspect, your relationship with her is not husband/wife but, rather, parent/child. I say this because BPDers typically have the emotional development of a four year old. This is why they exhibit the issues -- e.g., the temper tantrums, lack of impulse control, weak self identity, and black-white thinking -- you describe. If this is accurate, the issue is not whether to end the so-called "marriage" but, rather, to reverse the adoption.
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No, I can't do it. I'm nearing 30, if I want to have a functional family and kids in my lifetime I can't waste my time with someone so self centered and childish
Exactly.

You don't want to spend the next 40 years raising your kids AND your childish WIFE.
By the time you reach 40, you will feel already consumed, unwanted and full of resentment.

And please think twice before having kids with her. By the time you'll feel trapped, it'll be too late. It's important to start the process of detachment from her.

Davelli0331: If a GNO, or alcohol, or an attractive coworker, or a past flame on FB were all that were needed for someone to cheat, then I think that person had that defect in their integrity all along. All they ever lacked was the opportunity to act on their lack of integrity and the circumstances required to rationalize it to themselves.
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I do not understand clinical psychology like some of you do, but I don't like over use of spectrum disorders like BPD...of course, it may be completely legitimate in this case, but don't be afraid to call a selfish brat a SELFISH BRAT. Sadly, I was that selfish brat in college and was diagnosed with BPD and bi-polar disorder. I never fully embraced my diagnosis though, and that turned out to be a really good thing. In retrospect, I can't help but wonder if my doctrs were just lumping me in with all the other selfish unstable immature people(and there are alot of them)-- If I really did have these rather serious behavioral illnesses, shouldn't it have been harder to change things and get my head on straight? I didn't want to stay on the drugs the Drs gave me, and out of sheer stubbornness decided I would figure it out-- some people i trusted were honest enough with me to reveal that I was just plain selfish, and also scared, so getting healthy, getting away from bad influences, and getting counseling were my best path. I had serious growing up to do, and getting married to a very strong minded guy(senior year in college) exacerbated AND helped my issues. I probably should have waited to get married, but hindsight being 20/20... I almost hope yr wife doesn't get diagnosed as BPD, the 2 people I know who have been loud about their diagnoses just use the label as an excuse to whine about why everything should go their way and how unfair things are, and that other people need to bend bc of their illness. I suppose some Dctrs have trouble saying, "You don't have any disorder other than pride, entitlement, and old-school meanness. You are a b$#@! and unless you smarten up, nobodies going to want to be near you". Just my opinion.

My DH (we've been married 16 yrs) has serious rage issues, and his anger helped me to realize I needed him to form my own identity. Every time he had a bad day, I would whine or sulk, or give him plastic-smile-face, all the while resenting him and keeping tallies against him. Through IC (Christian counseling, Im one of those Bible-thumpers yr W doesn't prefer) I realized that alot of my demanding/ narrow-minded/ vengeful/ ungrateful/ unstable behavior was due to deep rooted insecurity from sexual abuse from my childhood that I had never dealt with. Yikes. 1st time Ive ever said that in "public". Still painful. Moving on-- Its OK to feel pain and fear, just not to take it out on everyone around you, as yr W seems to be doing. I realized I could not control everything, and that I need to be responsible for my own happiness and actions. That meant eating healthy, not staying out super late, ditching stupid unhelpful juvenile friends, and getting involved with positive people who would call me out on my crap. (For me these helpful people were church people, they hold me accountable and love the hot mess I am to this day.) Shockingly enough, doing these rather obvious things brought me to stable enough place that I could receive correction, speak kindly when frustrated, deal with lack of instant gratification, and take responsibility for my actions. It also gave me interest in doing things outside my house without my DH-- it took me a while to realize that it's GOOD to have separate interests and hobbies.

Things are still rocky in my house sometimes, changing a mindset away from self-focus is a lifelong proposition. Also, my DH is in counseling for his struggles. It is totally valid for you to go to IC to vent about yr selfish demanding hurtful W. If you don't get your frustration at her out somewhere, it'll likely end up spewing out on her. Not that she doesn't deserve it, but keeping yr own nose clean will definitely be an asset, especially if you pursue divorce and it becomes "he said-she said".

I believe your marriage can be saved, but it's gonna take HER choosing to turn around. If you are one of those Bible-thumpers, start praying-- HARD.

Also, having been on the receiving end of someone raging on you; don't take it, Pag. Tell her in a calm moment that if she drops an "F bomb" on you, you'll walk away and the conversation is over.

All the best to you, man.
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I do not understand clinical psychology like some of you do, but I don't like over use of spectrum disorders like BPD...of course, it may be completely legitimate in this case, but don't be afraid to call a selfish brat a SELFISH BRAT. Sadly, I was that selfish brat in college and was diagnosed with BPD and bi-polar disorder. I never fully embraced my diagnosis though, and that turned out to be a really good thing. In retrospect, I can't help but wonder if my doctrs were just lumping me in with all the other selfish unstable immature people(and there are alot of them)-- If I really did have these rather serious behavioral illnesses, shouldn't it have been harder to change things and get my head on straight? I didn't want to stay on the drugs the Drs gave me, and out of sheer stubbornness decided I would figure it out-- some people i trusted were honest enough with me to reveal that I was just plain selfish, and also scared, so getting healthy, getting away from bad influences, and getting counseling were my best path. I had serious growing up to do, and getting married to a very strong minded guy(senior year in college) exacerbated AND helped my issues. I probably should have waited to get married, but hindsight being 20/20... I almost hope yr wife doesn't get diagnosed as BPD, the 2 people I know who have been loud about their diagnoses just use the label as an excuse to whine about why everything should go their way and how unfair things are, and that other people need to bend bc of their illness. I suppose some Dctrs have trouble saying, "You don't have any disorder other than pride, entitlement, and old-school meanness. You are a b$#@! and unless you smarten up, nobodies going to want to be near you". Just my opinion.

My DH (we've been married 16 yrs) has serious rage issues, and his anger helped me to realize I needed him to form my own identity. Every time he had a bad day, I would whine or sulk, or give him plastic-smile-face, all the while resenting him and keeping tallies against him. Through IC (Christian counseling, Im one of those Bible-thumpers yr W doesn't prefer) I realized that alot of my demanding/ narrow-minded/ vengeful/ ungrateful/ unstable behavior was due to deep rooted insecurity from sexual abuse from my childhood that I had never dealt with. Yikes. 1st time Ive ever said that in "public". Still painful. Moving on-- Its OK to feel pain and fear, just not to take it out on everyone around you, as yr W seems to be doing. I realized I could not control everything, and that I need to be responsible for my own happiness and actions. That meant eating healthy, not staying out super late, ditching stupid unhelpful juvenile friends, and getting involved with positive people who would call me out on my crap. (For me these helpful people were church people, they hold me accountable and love the hot mess I am to this day.) Shockingly enough, doing these rather obvious things brought me to stable enough place that I could receive correction, speak kindly when frustrated, deal with lack of instant gratification, and take responsibility for my actions. It also gave me interest in doing things outside my house without my DH-- it took me a while to realize that it's GOOD to have separate interests and hobbies.

Things are still rocky in my house sometimes, changing a mindset away from self-focus is a lifelong proposition. Also, my DH is in counseling for his struggles. It is totally valid for you to go to IC to vent about yr selfish demanding hurtful W. If you don't get your frustration at her out somewhere, it'll likely end up spewing out on her. Not that she doesn't deserve it, but keeping yr own nose clean will definitely be an asset, especially if you pursue divorce and it becomes "he said-she said".

I believe your marriage can be saved, but it's gonna take HER choosing to turn around. If you are one of those Bible-thumpers, start praying-- HARD.

Also, having been on the receiving end of someone raging on you; don't take it, Pag. Tell her in a calm moment that if she drops an "F bomb" on you, you'll walk away and the conversation is over.

All the best to you, man.
Thank you for your candid response, I think you could help me. With the abuse you went through, I'm so sorry, and I imagine even revealing that to a stranger is scary. I think my wife has some childhood problems as well that she hasn't dealt with in a healthy manner, she was adopted, her adopted father had serious anger issues, they also separated when she was 15. She had an aborted child at 18.

In hindsight, what really made you look to change yourself? I'm afraid she still blames the world around her for every problem that arises in her life. But if you think back to when you were in such turmoil, what do you think would have helped you most even in that selfish mindset, when the anger was so present. I can't do anything more for my wife, I can only hope that she desires to change.
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Just read through this thread - same problem here.
We both work from home - she cant leave me alone for 5 minutes.
No cure for it - only eventual divorce when the child grows up.
But yes - it is like bringing up 2 kids.
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Thought that title might get some attention. So here's my dilemma; my wife and I have been married for about a year and a half. During the entire duration of our marriage, I have more or less been the working spouse(with the exception of a few short lived jobs on her part). I am an electrical contractor, my days typically consist of waking at 6:15 A.M. and being out the door no later than 7. An average day gets me home by 5:30-6:00 P.M., but usually one or two days a week I won't be home until 7 or possibly later. From the moment I get home my time and attention is hers, however I try to always pitch in around the house in the evenings and clean, do dishes, etc. On the weekends I spend every bit of time with her I can. With one exception being the night time on Friday or Saturday night (generally sneak off to be alone and watch some tv, read, play a game around 9:30- 10:00 up til maybe 1, 2 at the latest) . I am the type of person who values his solitude, I spend all week in the "on" position physically working, dealing with customers, dealing with contractors, phone calls, bids, billing, etc. and by the end of the week I feel worn raw, irritable, and fatigued. The time alone allows me to recharge. I don't ask her for little favors, in fact I try to get as much done as possible so as not to place much of a workload on her as she in school. But despite the fact that the only thing I ever ask of her is to have some time to myself on the weekends, she will repeatedly say "You don't spend enough time with me." Which I can't help but feel is unfair to me, I took this job to support her through school, the only spare time I DON'T spend with her is a few hours on the weekends, at night, when there isn't much to do that time of night anyways. She has made these few hours into a huge deal even threatening divorce because she says "All you care about is being alone and watching tv or playing a game" when that couldn't be more untrue. I simply know that when I reach a certain point I begin to get snappy and I don't want to treat her that way so solitude gives me some space to unwind. Did I miss the waiver that forfeited every moment of my time after marriage or am I just way off base? Anyone who has dealt with something similar, I would be glad to hear from.

P.S.- Also, despite all the time I spend working, she is always complaining about how we can't go do enough or get enough new stuff and complains about the house I work hard to have bought, and the car. It's like nothing is ever enough with her. Again, anyone who has dealt with a similar situation, did you find resolution or deal with these things in a specific manner?
There is an easy solution to this. I know. I was in a similar position at one time. Make her your partner in your business. Put her to work for you. It will free up some time for you, give her something a value to do and let her see what you do all day. You need some really well spelled out starting rules though. In my case she took over all the office duties and I did the customer and hands on work. We managed this way for 50 years. For me at least it
was great. She is very efficient and you can't find a more loyal employee. Plus the bennie of sex on the desk when things get slow.
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But typically the man does require some time completely alone to get to his mental cave, and that may include going to a physical cave.
This is a Great Post...BigTime...

Very helpful for wives.
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I turned my back from the Shadows on the Wall and did a 180. Walked out of the Cave. That is another Cave and another perspective.

Yes, men need "alone" time. Even older men.

As we age, nothing really changes, well, maybe our eyesight and.......................

This....This is the nub of the stick that pokes me in the eye when the light of day energizes my optic nerve....SunCMars.... The Allegory of the Cave--> On this, I did a '180' and stepped out.

The Lion in Winter. Invictus..By Will, Shall... Saved from harm by my friends.
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Just read through this thread - same problem here.
We both work from home - she cant leave me alone for 5 minutes.
No cure for it - only eventual divorce when the child grows up.
But yes - it is like bringing up 2 kids.
Ahhh!

Good and bad....this.

Does she nuzzle you. Is her nose warm or cool? I do not mean this in a "mean" way.

I like my woman close. Within arms reach, sweaty palm reach. Of course, no work gets done.

Why else "have" a woman?

I see the arrows coming...they have burning [kerosene-soaked] feminine pads tied on the end.

Fire away. I am an easy target. My heart is big, easy to hit.

This....This is the nub of the stick that pokes me in the eye when the light of day energizes my optic nerve....SunCMars.... The Allegory of the Cave--> On this, I did a '180' and stepped out.

The Lion in Winter. Invictus..By Will, Shall... Saved from harm by my friends.
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Ahhh!

Good and bad....this.

Does she nuzzle you. Is her nose warm or cool? I do not mean this in a "mean" way.

I like my woman close. Within arms reach, sweaty palm reach. Of course, no work gets done.

Why else "have" a woman?

I see the arrows coming...they have burning [kerosene-soaked] feminine pads tied on the end.

Fire away. I am an easy target. My heart is big, easy to hit.
As a side note--tampons really do make amazing fire-starters.

Darling it's better down where it's wetter, take it from me! --- Sebastian
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As a side note--tampons really do make amazing fire-starters.

Good One!

Fozzy, my friend, we come from the same body of men.....and you are my funny bone!

This....This is the nub of the stick that pokes me in the eye when the light of day energizes my optic nerve....SunCMars.... The Allegory of the Cave--> On this, I did a '180' and stepped out.

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