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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-04-2017, 02:58 PM Thread Starter
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Hi, my name is Jacob. I'm going to offer my girlfriend to marry me. The problem is that I do not have enough money to make it memorable. Guys, please donate on PayPal. The amount does not matter whether it's 50 cents or 5 dollars.

I want to rent a carriage with horses and drive to her house, as in the Disney cartoon about princesses. She always said that since childhood she dreamed about it. I bought a ring, but not enough for the event itself. I would be very grateful to those who donate some money.

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I want to rent a carriage with horses and drive to her house, as in the Disney cartoon about princesses. She always said that since childhood she dreamed about it. I bought a ring, but not enough for the event itself. I would be very grateful to those who donate some money.
Dude, have you read the laws and regulations in your area about doing this? I'd hate to donate only to see a viral video on youtube of you being chased down by police for not having the correct permits needed to pull off this dream wedding of yours!

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§9-402. Animal Drawn Carriages. [386]


(1) Definitions.

(a) Animal Drawn Carriage or Carriage. Any type of vehicle used for carting or delivery of goods or transportation of passengers which is drawn by an animal.

(b) Center City. The area bounded by Spring Garden street, Bainbridge street, and the Schuylkill and Delaware Rivers.

(c) Vehicle Code. Title 75 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes.

(2) License Required.

(a) No person shall engage in the business of operating an animal drawn carriage unless that person has first obtained a license from the Department for each carriage owned.

(b) All applications for such license shall be made on forms supplied by the Department and shall contain the following information;

(.1) Name and home address of the owner and, if the owner is a corporation or a partnership, the name and home address of a principal partner or corporate officer;

(.2) The business telephone number of the owner;

(.3) Location of stables where animals and carriages are stored and/or maintained;

(.4) Business privilege license number;

(.5) Billing address;

(.6) Philadelphia business tax number; and

(.7) Federal tax or Social Security Number.

(c) The applicant must also submit the following to the Department before the license will be issued;

(.1) A certificate of insurance indicating compliance with Section 9-402(3)(a); and
(.2) A copy of the carriage driver certificate for each of the applicant’s drivers, as required by subsection 9-402(3)(c).

(.3) payment of an annual license fee of three hundred (300) dollars for the first carriage license obtained by a company, one hundred fifty (150) dollars for each additional carriage license obtained by a company, for up to nine (9) additional carriages, and one hundred twenty-five (125) dollars for each additional license obtained thereafter by a company for each additional carriage. The Department may from time to time by regulation revise the annual license fee (including the structure of the fee) to reflect the City’s costs of regulating animal drawn carriage businesses and the special costs incurred by the City because of the operation of such businesses, including, but not limited to, the cost of extra cleaning of carriage routes.[387]

(d) Licenses will be renewed annually upon payment of the license renewal fee equal to the annual license fee as established in 9-402(2)(c)(.3).

(3) License Requirements. Every person licensed to engage in the business of operating an animal drawn carriage shall, as a condition of retaining such license, comply with each of the following:

(a) The licensee shall maintain liability and workers’ compensation insurance in an amount determined by the City Solicitor.

(b) The licensee must comply with the regulations promulgated by the Department of Public Health on Commercial Horse Stables and Rental and Carriage Horses pursuant to Sections 10-107 and 10-108 of The Philadelphia Code.

(c) All carriage drivers employed by the licensee must satisfactorily complete a carriage driver certification program approved by the Department of Health as required in Section IIIC of the Regulations on Commercial Horse Stables and Rental and Carriage Horses. A carriage driver shall carry proof of certification at all times when operating a carriage.

(d) All carriages shall be identified by the licensee’s name (or company name) and license number issued by the Department.

(.1) Each carriage owned by a licensee shall be sequentially numbered and that number shall be placed next to the license number issued by the Department.

(.2) The licensee shall provide a license plate with the license number and carriage number as provided in subsection 9-402(3)(d)(.1). Such license plate must be placed on the right rear portion of the carriage so as to be visible to the public from a distance of twenty-five feet. The annual renewal sticker shall be affixed to the license plate.

(e) All carriages must adhere to all animal drawn vehicle requirements set forth in the Vehicle Code, and carriage drivers must obey all provisions of the Vehicle Code.

(f) Routes and hours of operation.[388]

(.1) Carriages shall be operated only on the carriage routes approved by ordinance pursuant to subsection 9-402(4), except that a carriage operator may apply for a special permit from the Department of Streets to use other routes on a trip-by-trip basis to accommodate a special event. An application for such special permit setting forth the date, time and nature of the special event and the exact route requested must be filed with the Department of Streets, on a form provided by that Department, at least five (5) business days prior to the date of the special event. The special permit will be issued only if the Department of Streets determines that the operation of a carriage on the requested route, on the date and at the time requested, will not cause undue interference with traffic, except that no special permit shall be granted which would permit a carriage to be on any street at any time prohibited by subsection 9-402(3)0(.2). Every special permit shall set forth the date, time and nature of the special event, and shall be kept with the carriage and readily available for inspection at all times the carriage is being operated under the terms of the special permit.

(.2) No carriage shall be permitted on any street (whether the carriage is parked or in operation) during the following hours:

(.a) From April 1 to October 31:

(i) Monday through Friday, from 7:00 a.m. to 9:30 a.m., from 3:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., or after 10:30 p.m.

(ii) On Saturdays and Sundays, after 10:30 p.m.

(.b) From November 1 to March 31:

(i) Monday through Friday, from 7:00 a.m. to 9:30 a.m., from 3:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., or after 9:00 p.m.

(ii) On Saturdays and Sundays, after 9:00 p.m.

(g) Carriages may be parked only within a carriage stand zone that is posted as such by the Department of Streets. The Department of Streets shall post carriage stand zones only at the following locations:[389]

(.1) On the west side of Fifth street, between Chestnut street and Market street, not longer than one hundred fifty feet (150');

(.2) On the east side of Sixth street between Chestnut street and Market street, not longer than one hundred fifty feet (150'); and

(.3) On the west side of Second street between South street and Lombard street, not longer than one hundred feet (100').

(h) Carriages shall not be left unattended at any time.

(i) Carriage drivers must comply with all other provisions of The Philadelphia Code.

(j) Carriage drivers shall be in control of their carriages at all times and shall not permit their horses to trot, canter, or gallop unless required by an emergency.

(k) Carriage drivers shall not solicit business or pick up or discharge passengers on Walnut street, or solicit business in a manner that such solicitation can be heard beyond a distance of fifteen (15) feet from the horse drawn carriage.

(l) Licensees must maintain the area around the approved carriage stands clean of trash and debris generated by their operations, and deodorized.

(m) No customer shall be permitted to drive a carriage, or to ride next to the driver of a carriage.[390]

(n) All carriages shall have a flashing red light installed at the rear of the carriage which shall flash at all times the carriage is on any street. Such light shall meet the specifications set by the Department of Streets by regulation.[391]

(o) The Department of Public Health and the Department of Streets shall promulgate regulations to provide an animal waste management plan for carriage operators which addresses animal urine as well as solid waste, and is designed to keep carriage horse routes clean and sanitary. Licensed carriage operators shall have thirty (30) days from the date of enactment of this Section to submit written comments to the Health Commissioner and the Streets Commissioner on the contents of those regulations, and the Department of Public Health and the Department of Streets shall consider those comments prior to promulgating the regulations.[392]

(4) Carriage Routes.

(a) Council shall establish by ordinance approved routes within Center City upon which carriages may be operated.

(b) The Department of Streets shall promulgate regulations governing the operation of carriages on Center City streets and shall establish routes for horse drawn carriages to travel to and from their stables to the routes established pursuant to 9-402(4)(a).
(5) Horse Drawn Vendor Carts.

(a) Horse drawn vendor carts licensed under Section 9-203 are exempt from the provisions of this section, except for this subsection 9-204(5).

(b) Horse drawn vendor carts licensed under Section 9-203 may not be operated in Center City.

(6) Penalties and Enforcement; License Suspension and Revocation.

(a) The penalty for a violation of this section shall be a fine of not less than two hundred (200) dollars nor more than three hundred (300) dollars.

(b) Whenever a police officer or any other official authorized to enforce ordinances observes a violation of this section, he may hand to the violator a printed notice of violation. Such notices shall bear the date, time, location and nature of the violation, and when known, the identify and license number and carriage number of the violator. The notice shall further state the amount to be remitted in response to the notice of violation and the penalty which can be imposed by the court for the violation, shall be signed by the person issuing the notice, and shall bear the police officer’s badge number or other official identification number identifying the person issuing the violation notice.

(c) Any person who receives a notice of violation may, within ten (10) days, pay the amount of one hundred (100) dollars, admit the violation and waive appearance before a Municipal Court Judge. The notice of violation shall contain an appropriate statement for signature by the violator for the purpose of admitting the violation and waiving a hearing, and shall be returned by the violator when he remits the stipulated payment.

(d) If a person who receives a notice of violation fails to make the prescribed payment within ten (10) days of the issuance of the notice of violation, a code enforcement complaint shall be issued for such violation in such manner as provided by law. If the person named in the code enforcement complaint is found to have violated any provision of this section or fails to appear on the date set for hearing, he shall be subject to the imposition of fines in the amounts set forth in subsection 9-402(6)(a), plus court costs.

(e) In lieu of issuing a notice of violation, the Department may, at its option, enforce this section through the issuance of a code enforcement complaint in the manner provided by law.

(f) If protection of the health, safety or welfare of the public, passengers, or an animal requires the immediate removal of the animal or carriage, or if the carriage is being operated by an uncertified driver, then a code violation notice shall be issued, the license shall be revoked and, if the condition of the carriage is in violation of this section, a sticker shall be placed on the carriage stating that it is unfit for use,[393] which sticker may only be removed by the Department when a new animal drawn carriage license is obtained. The operator must then remove the carriage immediately from use and return it to the stable. If the operator refuses to so remove the carriage, or the operator is physically incapable of safely operating the carriage, then the City may itself or by contract remove the carriage to a City storage facility. If the carriage is so removed, the licensee must pay all costs of removal and storage before recovering the carriage.

(g) The Department and the Department of Public Health shall by regulation devise a point system for suspension of carriage licenses based upon a specified number of violations by the licensee or a carriage driver employed by the licensee within a specified period of time (such suspension to apply to all licenses held by a licensee), and revocation of carriage licenses after a specified number of suspensions (such revocation to apply to all licenses held by a licensee). Suspension periods shall be for a minimum of one day; and may increase with the number of suspensions to a maximum suspension period of one week. The regulations shall specify a procedure by which the imposition of points and the suspension and revocation of licenses may be administratively appealed. If licenses have been revoked, the licensee may not apply for any new licenses under this Section for one year after the date of revocation.[394]
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Oh, thank you man
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This is odd... the second post like this I've seen in the last couple of weeks. Some guy looking to raise money so he can do some fancy proposal.

TAM does not allow people to solicit money on our site. Your posts will be deleted. Keep it up and your account will be banned.

How about just be yourself and propose? Of course that does not make a good story to extort people on the internet.
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@JacobWhiteberg What a romantic idea! Where will this fairytale wedding take place?

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@MattMatt I want to do that in one nature place and decorate this look like magic kingdom with unicorns, speaking utensils etc...
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@MattMatt I want to do that in one nature place and decorate this look like magic kingdom with unicorns, speaking utensils etc...
I was thinking the actual physical location?

I actually know of someone who runs a business that provides exactly the type of service you require. And it isn't as expensive as you might suppose.

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If you cannot afford this, you should not get engaged until you can afford it or do it within your means. I got engaged when I was going to college full time and my wife had a lot more money than me. I simply proposed to her in her bedroom after waking her up with her dad's permission. She said yes and we recently celebrated our 44th wedding anniversary. Does not matter how you do it, as long as you can afford it. Love does not need a dream engagement. We all would have loved to have others pay for our fantasy engagement but we are too proud to do so. Apparently you are looking for others to work to pay for your dreams. We all have our own dreams that we cannot afford and would not consider asking strangers to pay for them.

Many prefer to drown in a pool of their own morality rather than seek the safety of a different morality.

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My wife an I were married at a picnic table in a beautiful spot nearby state park. Food was sandwiches from a chain place. Drinks were cans of soda in an ice bucket. Minister was someone staying in the park. The whole think cost almost nothing, and everyone had a great time. No complex project-planning. No money worries. Just a fun few hours together with close friends and family. That was 30 years ago.

Her parents took the money that they would have spent on the wedding and gave it to use to have a honeymoon and to start our lives.
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I proposed to my w at a tacky Hawaiian themed hotel bar and spilled a huge drink when I reached out to grab her hands. We both had a good laugh. That was 29 years ago


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@MattMatt I want to do that in one nature place and decorate this look like magic kingdom with unicorns, speaking utensils etc...
I've never seen speaking utensils, but I do have a friend with cerebral palsy and his spoon is freakishly awesome.

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I hope this is a troll.
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My advice is always to concentrate on the marriage, not on the wedding, and especially not on the proposal. Of course there are many who distrust this advice and there are many who are unwilling to give up silly childish dreams. I'm not offended by being asked to financially contribute to such a performance. I do support the arts after all. What offends me is the Female Privilege displayed here. The idea that someone is actually entitled to Unicorns. (shakes head)

Find you a Girl who has her head on straight and her feet firmly planted on the ground. Then give her whatever you feel is romantic. Even unicorns.
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Dude I think you are already talking to unicorns and utensils.............
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Hi, my name is Jacob. I'm going to offer my girlfriend to marry me. The problem is that I do not have enough money to make it memorable. Guys, please donate on PayPal. The amount does not matter whether it's 50 cents or 5 dollars.
Ok I'll play along.

Dude if you don't have enough money to get married then, well you don't have enough money period. Forget about the fairytale wedding and forget about marriage altogether.

You don't need a fund raiser you need a well paying job, so rather than waste your time posting on here and probably a ton of other places looking for pennies which is all you'll get, spend that time getting a good job.

By the way as far as giving you money, my advice is free but I won't be reaching into my pocket for you any time soon and I doubt anyone else will either. There's better things to spend money on than fairytale weddings for broke dudes who don't know how to manage their finances.
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