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Old 01-05-2012, 10:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't CS based on a percentage of the non-custodial parents income? So say they pay $1200 a month for two kids, it is because that spouse can afford to pay it. If they are making only $1200 a month, it would be something like $200 a month. I don't see this as punishment at all. In fact, try raising a child or two on child support. I see countless people who struggle to do so and the only ones who really lose out are the kids.
Child support is based on several factors.. the amount of both parent's income, the percentage of time the child(ren) spend at each parent's house, and a child's special needs.

IF both parents make the same income and there is 50/50 physical custody, neither parent will pay the other child support.

The formula is pretty easy to figure out.

In my divorce, at the time we divorced, my hsuband mad $145,000 annually. His child support was $800. I really don't think that's out of hand.

I've been doing child support calculations recently for the state of california... and example... huband earns $130,000 a year. Wife earns $12000 a year. One child at home. Support is $900 a month to the wife.
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm sorry. It works two ways. I just don't think that he should have to cough up so much money just because he doesn't have sole custody of the children. I could see if he wasn't contributing in their lives at all, but he is contributing, actively involved, & paying child support. The mother doesn't even work! Come on. Its not fair & when your life is set up this way, it feels like a punishment.

I'm a woman & I feel so bad for some guys who pay high amounts of child support that I don't see myself ever putting a man on those payments. I really think in some cases it's pure robbery.
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We cannot judge what you are talking about because you are not giving us real numbers to work with. We have no idea if these people you are talking about are really paying too much in child support. We only know through you that they are complaining about how much they pay.

IN your case, if you divorce your husband you will most likely be paying him child support even if he has the kids less than you do. I've seen that happen.
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No. Neither is spousal support. The payments are set up as to what the court deems to be fair. Custody is the last outpost of gender based inequality and even that is under attack.
MOre and more today custody is 50/50 or as close to that as possible. And child support is completely gender nutral. They plug the percentage of time a child is with each parent and their income into a software tool. The tool calculates the amount and that's it.

If the woman earns more, she's as likely to pay support as a man who earns more.
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Sure seems like it. In my state child support includes paying for your kids college, even tho you as a parent would never have done that. You'd never pay for college even if you had stayed married.
In effect: the court is ordering your kids to college on your dime.

And funny how Xbox is now considered by the court, something that is essential to raising a kid now. Oh and don't forget the Air Jordans. Can't have a kid growing up w/out those.

Didn't this used to be America? Land of the free, etc,etc.
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Elegirl,

I have never heard of child support payments being that high either. The reality is that the money being "awarded" by the courts are a fraction to raise a child. If you are the custodial parent, you without any doubt pay more than the non-custodial person to pay for the children.
Take a look at the stats about divorce and what happens to women post. If it was all sunshine and glitter, the stats wouldn't be what they are.
In my case, if my husband decided to divorce me....he would be legally required to pay for his youngest. His eldest is nearly 19 and despite living here, my husband wouldn't have to pay a dime. Not for living expenses, not for college, not for any of it.....just for his youngest UNTIL he turned 18. At that point, forget it legally.
I find it incredible that some men get so up in arms about child support. I just do.
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Oh yeah, and people are surprised by the decline in marriages?
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I have never heard of child support payments so high that the custodial parent could completely live off of them.
It's possible in cases in which dad is pulling down serious coin, but highly, highly improbable in the case cited by OP.

If she says dad is practically in the poor house on $28k a year, then mom certainly isn't living high on the hog raising two kids on the $1k a month dad is providing.

At the end of the day, 3 out of every 10 dollars you earn going to help clothe, feed, educate and provide shelter to your children isn't terribly unfair.
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Elegirl,

I have never heard of child support payments being that high either. The reality is that the money being "awarded" by the courts are a fraction to raise a child. If you are the custodial parent, you without any doubt pay more than the non-custodial person to pay for the children.
Take a look at the stats about divorce and what happens to women post. If it was all sunshine and glitter, the stats wouldn't be what they are.
In my case, if my husband decided to divorce me....he would be legally required to pay for his youngest. His eldest is nearly 19 and despite living here, my husband wouldn't have to pay a dime. Not for living expenses, not for college, not for any of it.....just for his youngest UNTIL he turned 18. At that point, forget it legally.
I find it incredible that some men get so up in arms about child support. I just do.
I think justice has it wrong. Your ex decided to divorce you? He should pay 75%. Husband cheets? should be 100%. Same for females.

Probly will not get elected on this idea. but there it is.
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MOre and more today custody is 50/50 or as close to that as possible. And child support is completely gender nutral. They plug the percentage of time a child is with each parent and their income into a software tool. The tool calculates the amount and that's it.

If the woman earns more, she's as likely to pay support as a man who earns more.
Ele, what happens when at divorce time my spouse and I make 50,000 each. Now she gets laid off. Does she go into debt or does she apply for reduced payments?
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Sure seems like it. In my state child support includes paying for your kids college, even tho you as a parent would never have done that. You'd never pay for college even if you had stayed married.
In effect: the court is ordering your kids to college on your dime.

And funny how Xbox is now considered by the court, something that is essential to raising a kid now. Oh and don't forget the Air Jordans. Can't have a kid growing up w/out those.

Didn't this used to be America? Land of the free, etc,etc.
what state do you live in?

Funny... I've never seen a court require parents buy their kids xboxes, air jordans, etc.
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I've heard that some states will revoke a non paying spouses driver's license.
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Ele, what happens when at divorce time my spouse and I make 50,000 each. Now she gets laid off. Does she go into debt or does she apply for reduced payments?
She would apply for reduced payments. Just like a dad would. It happens all the time in family court.
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Ele, what happens when at divorce time my spouse and I make 50,000 each. Now she gets laid off. Does she go into debt or does she apply for reduced payments?
If the paying spouse loses their job they can petition the court to have the payments reduced until they find another job.

So the two of you earn the same amount of income. Are your kids with you more than 50% of the time?
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I've heard that some states will revoke a non paying spouses driver's license.
Yes they do that. If a person has a court order to pay child support and they do not pay it.. they can get their driver's license revoked and even do jail time.

If they do not pay, usually the tax payers have to pick up the support of their children.
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It's possible in cases in which dad is pulling down serious coin, but highly, highly improbable in the case cited by OP.

If she says dad is practically in the poor house on $28k a year, then mom certainly isn't living high on the hog raising two kids on the $1k a month dad is providing.

At the end of the day, 3 out of every 10 dollars you earn going to help clothe, feed, educate and provide shelter to your children isn't terribly unfair.
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No it is not. In fact, I would KILL for that arrangement. As it is, we are both married and have two kids. One in college and another in middle school. I cannot imagine having the law tell me that I didn't have to pay for my college age son because of his age. I only had to pay for my middle school child and my income was reduced by 20%. When he turns 18, my legal requirement to pay for him is over. What a deal!!! I simply cannot imagine a person who b!tches about this. I just cannot.
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