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Old 03-17-2012, 01:30 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and advice. It has been a long and difficult road and most of the time I don't feel that anyone out there understands what I'm going through.

Don't Panic - Thank you for sharing your story and thoughts as it seems you understand the things my wife is going through. I am just not sure how and if we will go back to some counseling. We have gone to a total of 4 different counselors (two for the family issues, one for our marriage and currently she is seeing her own that I went to on several occassions.

The MC that we did together I thought would be helpful. However, as soon as he mentioned that she might have hastily taken custody of the kids, she wouldn't have it and we didn't return after only one session. She gets her validation from her counselor so pretty much all the time, I am the one in the wrong. I considered going to my own IC but the cost is very tough and she believes that if I start going I will probably leave her for good.

Kurosity - Thanks for the advice, I agree that she does and we are working toward that.

Uptown - Yes, I have struggled back and forth on the concept that she suffers from some form of BPD. The main arguement I recant though is how can any psychiatrist not make an effort to point out these things to her and help her. All she does in her sessions is talk about my problems, how I am emotionally abusive to her and suffer Narcissitic disorders. If she truly holds so much of these traits, why has she never been diagnosed through all her problems? Thank you for taking the time to point out multiple instances from my threads.

Conrad - Going off Uptown's post. Up until 7 years old her life was very normal. Her dad worked hard and long days and her mom was stay at home fulltime taking care. There marriage fell apart, I think because her mother had some mid life crisis and she moved far away from them. She would only see her mother in the summertime and her father raised from then on. Her mom traveled over, jumping from one man to the next and fully denying any care in rasing her daughter. She has also been in a physically abusive relationship for several years.

DTO - Just to clarify, we have never been a two income family. When we first lived together and married she was still going to school but we had an argument about our plans and then she decided to quit school and try to figure something out. Very shortly after that she thought it would be a good idea to help out these children.

I don't know what she would do if I left. She has threatened to obviously to seek spousal support. She also says things that she would have to go on welfare if we divorced.

My wife is the legal guardian for both of them. The father of the older child does not pay child support but has visitation rights. My wife even went to a lawyer to see what could be done but since she is not the parent, she doesn't have the full right to press for full custody and there is very little money to make an effort to force for child support. It wouldn't help anyway since he is broke and living with his parents. My wife said that we are not eligble for state aid because I make just enough for us to not qualify.

We can't just drop the kids back. The mom is gone, and we don't even know who the father is of the younger child.

We don't have any joint accounts at all. I just give her my paycheck and then she distributes it as needed to all of our bills and such.

I am going to have take all of this stuff into consideration. I honestly would love to get my own IC to straighen my head. I feel so lost and rudderless. All I am doing is living day in and out in hopes that she believes things are getting better and just being as careful as possible not to screw things up
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^ Wakeup!!!


Take total and absolute control of your money, your finances. Do not abdicate your financial responsibilities to your wife!


Know exactly where every single cent is going. Know your cost base and take absolute control of dispensing your money and paying the bills.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:12 AM   #18 (permalink)
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She gets her validation from her counselor so pretty much all the time, I am the one in the wrong.
NJPCA, the vast majority of BPDers are high functioning. If your W is a HF BPDer, it would be difficult for a psychologist to diagnose her. (If she were low functioning, you would not have been dating her, much less marrying her.) Because BPDers are convinced they are victims, they typically go to therapy and complain bitterly about their spouses. It could take years for a psych to see the type of behaviors you see all week long.

Moreover, BPDers tend to be excellent actors because -- having only a fragile sense of who they are -- they've been acting (in order to fit in) ever since childhood. It therefore is a cakewalk for a BPDer to behave very normally during the 50 minute sessions held once a week.
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How can any psychiatrist not make an effort to point out [her BPD traits] to her and help her.... If she truly holds so much of these traits, why has she never been diagnosed through all her problems?
As I said, it can be difficult to spot the BPD traits in a clinical setting when the client is a HF BPDer. Further, even when the traits are identified, there is very little chance that the therapist will tell the client (much less tell her husband). For HF BPDers, therapists are loath to list "BPD" as the diagnosis even when it is clearly warranted.

One reason is that they know the BPDer almost certainly will immediately quit therapy on hearing such a dreaded diagnosis. You've already seen that behavior in your W when she immediately quit the counselor who disagreed with her on one occasion.

A second reason is, in the unlikely event the client returns to therapy, giving her the name of her disorder can actually make her behavior much worse. Because a BPDer has a fragile self image, she is frequently relying on other people to ground her and give her a sense of self identity. This means that, if the therapist tells her she is "a BPDer," she may start exhibiting all 9 BPD traits instead of just 5 or 6.

A third reason is that therapists know that insurance companies usually refuse to cover BPD treatments. The standard practice, then, is to list the "diagnosis" instead as one of the side effects of BPD -- i.e., as anxiety, depression, PTSD, or adult ADHD.

I mention this because, if your W is a HF BPDer, there is very little chance you will ever hear about it from HER therapist. I say this after having spent a small fortune to take my exW to six different psychologists -- none of whom ever mentioned "BPD." The closest they ever came to telling me the true diagnosis was one psych who, on my insistence, conceded she has "a thought disorder." The psych my exW saw for the last 5 years of our marriage always refused to tell me the diagnosis, claiming that she believed "labels are not useful."

Remember, NJPCA, your W's therapist is not your friend. Like an attorney, he is ethically bound to protect his sick client -- even if you occasionally attend the sessions with your W. Hence, relying on her therapist's advice during the marriage is as foolish as relying on her attorney's advice during a divorce.

This is why I've been encouraging you to read about BPD traits so you are able to spot all the red flags. And this is why I suggest you see your own psychologist -- for a visit or two -- to obtain a candid professional opinion on what it is you are dealing with. If you would like to read more about BPD traits on this forum, NJPCA, please follow the link I provided above.
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I see some things never change. While you can't change your wife, it is within your power to STOP enabling her behavior. I have read all of your posts. It's just so sad to see what this woman has done to your head. Please don't push friends and family away. You really need them in your life.


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I don't know what she would do if I left. She has threatened to obviously to seek spousal support. She also says things that she would have to go on welfare if we divorced.
She probably won't get much alimony or child support out of you at this point. Even then, it would probably be of short duration. However, keep hanging around for another 15 or so years and it will be a big factor--possibly higher percentage of your salary and PERMANENT.
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