It is not a given that married men will cheat just as it is not a given that a married woman will cheat.
But this does not account for EAs that start out on the up and up. I do not think that most people intend to cheat. They make bad chocies and have poor boundaries. The others are just pure selfish IMHO. It is jut not black and white for everyone.
I suspect that there are a number of men who cheat with a lot of different women at the same time. That fits the model of women looking for the fittest male.
I think some women will cheat with a married man because they assume he will be discrete. He may also appear to have a higher value because of preselection. They say once a man is married he will be hit on much more often. This is consistent with my experience.
All in all it would be interesting to have the real data around this. Just no way at this time to know for sure.
All adultary is intentional and every bit of it begins in the mind. My genitals never accidently fell into someone else's. Words don't accidently fall out of my mouth. My computer keyboard only types words my mind composes. The sexual act is just the logical end of a series of deliberate choices. I can't help noticing a woman, but I have to choose to talk to her. I have to choose to be alone with her. Before a sex act occurs, several choices are made. Nothing that is sexually consensual ever "just happens". It's a whole lot easier to avoid trouble than to extricate oneself from it.
I never saw the point of strip clubs or watching porn. For me, I get enough pesky lust attacks throughout the day just minding my own business. I'm not going to go looking for them. I'm not going to pay to look at a naked woman I can't do anything with when I have a real one at home. Doesn't pass the common sense test for me. Still, those 19 year olds aren't interested in some 40 year old married guy. They want his money. It's just business. He doesn't even know the dancer's real name and doesn't care. She's a piece of meat. Anyone guy gets grabby, the bouncer will toss them out. Spending time alone with a "regular" woman, there's opportunity for either to actually be intimate, physically, or emotionally. She can get in his head in places you don't want her and he can get in her's. If my wife would be ok with me spending hours alone with another woman, I'd get the notion that she didn't find our relationship worth protecting
Actually I think marriage favors men more than women these days.
I do not believe men cheat more than women.
than you are in denial
1) I can provide a very very long response and studies and evidence to prove otherwise if you would like? Its a fact and its actually widely accepted by many psychologist, psychiatrist, and scientist. There are really far to many reasons seriously ( a million) on why men cheat more and why males are programmed to cheat or rather not "cheat" but be almost incapable of devoting his life to one woman and not sleeping around. All evolutionary data supports this it is within the male biologically to be promiscuous and sleep around. There are far far to many differences between males and females within their brains to other differences not only that but the huge differences between the sexes in human history. Now just because the male is designed for sex and his essentially biologically programmed to cheat does not mean the male has to and it does not mean that we are incapable of not cheating. Fact of mater is we have control of our actions and can overcome what ever impulses we may have even if it goes against evolutionary means.
I am not trying to be rude. But the sooner women realize that men are essentially biologically programmed to cheat and the sooner more men realize this themselves the better. I am not justifying cheating but i am a person who is into logic, facts and being real i am a realist and all evidence seems to support this. This is why i feel people who are "love psychic" and "Love doctors" are by and large crazy delusional people. Women who get hurt all the time need to look at themselves and look at the men they are choosing to date (that is the problem) their selections. They also need to realize that they cannot treat sex as a reward or not put any effort into sex as it will destroy the male husband. Men who have no control and act purely on animalistici nsticnt and evolutionary instincts need to stop getting married and have a vasectomy and stop tying themselves up with women and relationships as they clearly are incapable of such things.
2) Yes there are many arguments and many ways to argue that marriage favors a male more than women. For instance divorced women almost always tend to be poorer than divorced males. In addition single mothers are one of the poorest groups in america, and women become often "damaged" goods after a child or after a failed marriage. However from a biological and evolutionary stand point it makes far more sense for the female to be in a monogamous relationship than a male. Given a females lesser status in regards to physical strength and feats and given her general role she has held throughout human history it would be more to her benefit to be in a monogamous relationship thus "marriage" favors the female. However only an "ideal" marriage. Ideally the man and woman would love each other and the woman would not be mistreated or anything and it would heavily favor her as marriage would provide her with some status along with power.
Marriage for a male and monogamy goes against his instinctual behavior and that of what his mind will tell him as he will want to sleep with other women. Men have a drop in testosterone after they have children or rather "fatherhood" drops a males' testosterone level's. Given the males position throughout human history and his superior physical strength and the roles he has assumed he does not benefit as much as the female does when it comes to marriage. ( i could give many more examples) if you would like.
Try not to think so much on what you read or see on here and try to think about how the human is from the earliest of times and the evolution along with the differences in the brain between male and female and the positions and roles in human history.
1) I can provide a very very long response and studies and evidence to prove otherwise if you would like? Its a fact and its actually widely accepted by many psychologist, psychiatrist, and scientist. There are really far to many reasons seriously ( a million) on why men cheat more and why males are programmed to cheat or rather not "cheat" but be almost incapable of devoting his life to one woman and not sleeping around. All evolutionary data supports this it is within the male biologically to be promiscuous and sleep around. There are far far to many differences between males and females within their brains to other differences not only that but the huge differences between the sexes in human history. Now just because the male is designed for sex and his essentially biologically programmed to cheat does not mean the male has to and it does not mean that we are incapable of not cheating. Fact of mater is we have control of our actions and can overcome what ever impulses we may have even if it goes against evolutionary means.
I am not trying to be rude. But the sooner women realize that men are essentially biologically programmed to cheat and the sooner more men realize this themselves the better. I am not justifying cheating but i am a person who is into logic, facts and being real i am a realist and all evidence seems to support this. This is why i feel people who are "love psychic" and "Love doctors" are by and large crazy delusional people. Women who get hurt all the time need to look at themselves and look at the men they are choosing to date (that is the problem) their selections. They also need to realize that they cannot treat sex as a reward or not put any effort into sex as it will destroy the male husband. Men who have no control and act purely on animalistici nsticnt and evolutionary instincts need to stop getting married and have a vasectomy and stop tying themselves up with women and relationships as they clearly are incapable of such things.
2) Yes there are many arguments and many ways to argue that marriage favors a male more than women. For instance divorced women almost always tend to be poorer than divorced males. In addition single mothers are one of the poorest groups in america, and women become often "damaged" goods after a child or after a failed marriage. However from a biological and evolutionary stand point it makes far more sense for the female to be in a monogamous relationship than a male. Given a females lesser status in regards to physical strength and feats and given her general role she has held throughout human history it would be more to her benefit to be in a monogamous relationship thus "marriage" favors the female. However only an "ideal" marriage. Ideally the man and woman would love each other and the woman would not be mistreated or anything and it would heavily favor her as marriage would provide her with some status along with power.
Marriage for a male and monogamy goes against his instinctual behavior and that of what his mind will tell him as he will want to sleep with other women. Men have a drop in testosterone after they have children or rather "fatherhood" drops a males' testosterone level's. Given the males position throughout human history and his superior physical strength and the roles he has assumed he does not benefit as much as the female does when it comes to marriage. ( i could give many more examples) if you would like.
Try not to think so much on what you read or see on here and try to think about how the human is from the earliest of times and the evolution along with the differences in the brain between male and female and the positions and roles in human history.
I am going to make a guess here. Were you born in a foreign country?
Your English and something about your views make me think you are from a very traditional country. Any chance this might be true? just a hunch
I also dont think women are meant to be monogamous either, if we are at that.
Think of the shape of the male penis. The tips acts as a scoop for semen of competitors. I recently read this.
And squirting also acts as a wash out for other mens semen.
Then of course there are studies about how women subconscieously dress sexier during ovulation when they go out without their men, and the larger the testicles of the male, the more promiscuous the females of the species.
We are not naturally sexually monogamous as a species
Yes this is true we are not sexually a monogamous species "per say" however with that said it is more so lets say in a woman's interest to be monogamous (far to many examples). With that said the feminist agenda has routinely pushed the idea that women are just as sexual and horny as men and this is for the most part wrong.
Of course you can believe what you wish to believe but i like to stick with facts. There is no denying the male thinks of sex more also another important think to realize is that even before monotheistic religious became widely practiced animosity towards women's bodies still existed but there was not so much control or "ideal" push towards how a woman should treat her body. What is interesting is to see how sex was and how people treated sex thousands of year's ago or how the Neanderthal's or early Hominid's treated sex you will see some similarities and some major major differences but even so with that said you will see the similarities the male's in those group share with today's males and you will see how the female had a different and almost similar role.
Of course their are some Species were the female is the dominant one and the more sexual one however that is not the case with the Homo Sapien Sapien's which is what we are.
What is wrong with my english? its the internet...?
I am not so traditional i keep the way i live out my life and my talk on other subjects separate for the most part.
No, I actually feel that at this point you are flooding my thread with redundant facts.
Something about you makes me sense that you are pushing an agenda quite blatantly. However much I agree, it is starting to become counter-productive.
And from previous posts you are quite the misogynist (Quote from a previous post of yours: "a woman with kids means she either was raped or opened her legs." I am not interested in this kind of sh!t)
Bottom line is whether you are looking for a husband or an employee, you ALWAYS INVEST IN CHARACTER. Pay little attention to what the guy looks like or to how successful you think he is. Both can change. Real character doesn't. Until you've seen him deal with real adversity, you don't know who he is. If you see patterns of deception, disrespect, or selfishness (to you or anyone else), dump him. It won't get better.
I also dont think women are meant to be monogamous either, if we are at that.
Think of the shape of the male penis. The tips acts as a scoop for semen of competitors. I recently read this.
And squirting also acts as a wash out for other mens semen.
Then of course there are studies about how women subconscieously dress sexier during ovulation when they go out without their men, and the larger the testicles of the male, the more promiscuous the females of the species.
We are not naturally sexually monogamous as a species
We naturally kill others as well. Yes I enjoyed Athols book.
I am a man ... I c0ckblock.
We are what we are due to survival. Without going again through the polymory discussion ther eis an equilibirum in "society". Like anything else things ebb and flow. Things evolve. We have evolved. We have a brain. I think knowledge is power. So I am all for understanding our wiring. I use it continuously ... but we are more than this.
In general the dominant male is the one who survives to procreate. The one who can adapt. The AMOG. One just needs to understand our primitive biology but that alone is not enough. The dominant female as well. What those are change over time.
We can of course get into the whole Huxley thing with a Brave New World. Utopian philosophies. But I think we were meant to struggle through. There are social reasons for monogamy dispite the competing forces. There is an equilibrium to this. We are in the midst of a shift that we can attribute back to the 1940s and 1960s. Birth control. Women's place in the workforce. Technology. All of this is playing out. Things tend to have a pendulum effect however. We shall see.
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We naturally kill others as well. Yes I enjoyed Athols book.
I am a man ... I c0ckblock.
We are what we are due to survival. Without going again through the polymory discussion ther eis an equilibirum in "society". Like anything else things ebb and flow. Things evolve. We have evolved. We have a brain. I think knowledge is power. So I am all for understanding our wiring. I use it continuously ... but we are more than this.
In general the dominant male is the one who survives to procreate. The one who can adapt. The AMOG. One just needs to understand our primitive biology but that alone is not enough. The dominant female as well. What those are change over time.
We can of course get into the whole Huxley thing with a Brave New World. Utopian philosophies. But I think we were meant to struggle through. There are social reasons for monogamy dispite the competing forces. There is an equilibrium to this. We are in the midst of a shift that we can attribute back to the 1940s and 1960s. Birth control. Women's place in the workforce. Technology. All of this is playing out. Things tend to have a pendulum effect however. We shall see.
I think Athol is a misogynist, too. I meant I read it on a reputable science website, not Athol of all people.
And did you see my question? About what age you got married? Sorry, I am just dying to know
1) I can provide a very very long response and studies and evidence to prove otherwise if you would like? Its a fact and its actually widely accepted by many psychologist, psychiatrist, and scientist. There are really far to many reasons seriously ( a million) on why men cheat more and why males are programmed to cheat or rather not "cheat" but be almost incapable of devoting his life to one woman and not sleeping around. All evolutionary data supports this it is within the male biologically to be promiscuous and sleep around. There are far far to many differences between males and females within their brains to other differences not only that but the huge differences between the sexes in human history. Now just because the male is designed for sex and his essentially biologically programmed to cheat does not mean the male has to and it does not mean that we are incapable of not cheating. Fact of mater is we have control of our actions and can overcome what ever impulses we may have even if it goes against evolutionary means.
I am not trying to be rude. But the sooner women realize that men are essentially biologically programmed to cheat and the sooner more men realize this themselves the better. I am not justifying cheating but i am a person who is into logic, facts and being real i am a realist and all evidence seems to support this. This is why i feel people who are "love psychic" and "Love doctors" are by and large crazy delusional people. Women who get hurt all the time need to look at themselves and look at the men they are choosing to date (that is the problem) their selections. They also need to realize that they cannot treat sex as a reward or not put any effort into sex as it will destroy the male husband. Men who have no control and act purely on animalistici nsticnt and evolutionary instincts need to stop getting married and have a vasectomy and stop tying themselves up with women and relationships as they clearly are incapable of such things.
2) Yes there are many arguments and many ways to argue that marriage favors a male more than women. For instance divorced women almost always tend to be poorer than divorced males. In addition single mothers are one of the poorest groups in america, and women become often "damaged" goods after a child or after a failed marriage. However from a biological and evolutionary stand point it makes far more sense for the female to be in a monogamous relationship than a male. Given a females lesser status in regards to physical strength and feats and given her general role she has held throughout human history it would be more to her benefit to be in a monogamous relationship thus "marriage" favors the female. However only an "ideal" marriage. Ideally the man and woman would love each other and the woman would not be mistreated or anything and it would heavily favor her as marriage would provide her with some status along with power.
Marriage for a male and monogamy goes against his instinctual behavior and that of what his mind will tell him as he will want to sleep with other women. Men have a drop in testosterone after they have children or rather "fatherhood" drops a males' testosterone level's. Given the males position throughout human history and his superior physical strength and the roles he has assumed he does not benefit as much as the female does when it comes to marriage. ( i could give many more examples) if you would like.
Try not to think so much on what you read or see on here and try to think about how the human is from the earliest of times and the evolution along with the differences in the brain between male and female and the positions and roles in human history.
My comments are related to post 2000. I do not discount the past .. but it is the past. There is some very outdated thinking here.
Women are no longer dependent on men like in the past. They have their own money and power. They are not penalized for cheating like in the past. We are living in this century.
Birth Control.
Women are cheating in greater numbers. They are also less likely to hide that fact.
__________________
Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
No, I actually feel that at this point you are flooding my thread with redundant facts.
Something about you makes me sense that you are pushing an agenda quite blatantly. However much I agree, it is starting to become counter-productive.
And from previous posts you are quite the misogynist (Quote from a previous post of yours: "a woman with kids means she either was raped or opened her legs." I am not interested in this kind of sh!t)
Ah i see
Also i do not remember typing what you quoted from me. It seems to have been type by me in a improper way or perhaps what i typed was totally worded wrong (do to my own fault). I am married of course i could still be a Misogynist. However i feel i am far from that. Odd id say a woman with kids was raped or opened her legs when me and my wife are trying for kids of our own.
My comments are related to post 2000. I do not discount the past .. but it is the past. There is some very outdated thinking here.
Women are no longer dependent on men like in the past. They have their own money and power. They are not penalized for cheating like in the past. We are living in this century.
Birth Control.
Women are cheating in greater numbers. They are also less likely to hide that fact.
It also may depend on culture.
Upbringing is hugely important
This is the biggest factor if you are referring to a post 2000 era as in now and American and many western Countries and the way they are set up than yes i could see your point. Its hard to rewrite evolution that is my case. I personally blame the growing population of uneducated people.
I think Athol is a misogynist, too. I meant I read it on a reputable science website, not Athol of all people.
And did you see my question? About what age you got married? Sorry, I am just dying to know
I am sure Athol did not do the study. I like his views on some things. I add them to my "toolset". My marriage is better for his existence on this planet.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
Last edited by Entropy3000; 04-09-2012 at 02:56 AM.
and 75% of men who were served with a divorce admit to infidelity at some point ni hte marriage
the initiation of divorce might very well often be a reaction to something absolutely unacceptable in a relationship, dont you think?
You're misreading the statistic. It is that of the 27% of divorces where infidelity is cited as the reason, 75% were where the man admitted to infidelity and 25% were where the woman admitted to the infidelity.
By your reading of the stats, every divorce is caused by divorce (75% + 25% = 100%).
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