Good to have you drop in and post. Wish you would post more often.
Thank you. My written English isnt so great. Spoken is fluent. I get angry reading men are one way and only alpha matters. I get angry reading that men buy in Athol way and think he is the Messiah. Why would any body take advice from a two time cheater? His book is about tricking/ fooling women and gaming them. Taking a Map and trick women. He knows nothing about real marriage. He knows nothing about love, nothing.
I have seen plenty of 'Biff Tannens' propping up bars talking about how tough they used to be.
I agree that's often the case later in life.
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For anyone interested the theory of Evolutionarily Stable Strategy makes interesting reading.
Okay, I'm not terribly gifted in mathematics, but am a fan of Nash. Genuinely curious here. Would an ESS model explain the gender distribution of a disorder like hybristophilia?
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"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
Right you are. Adaptability in a species, as well as in individuals, has always been, and will continue to be, a trait of the superior.
This seems counter-alpha to me. An alpha doesn't adapt as necessary. An alpha exudes confidence in what he is, he doesn't adapt or change himself. Its a you have it or you don't sort of thing. Others groups may try to mimick it with pseudo-confidence, but its never the same.
I think its a beta trait to adapt or even consider these sorts of categorizations useful. An alpha has no use for them. He knows he's the bomb, and he does what he wants... he dictates the social order, he has no need for adapting.
Everyone, men and women, are drawn to him by sheer charisma.
I didn't know Atholk was a cheater. I treat MMSL like a buffet-take what I like and leave the rest. There are some wise truths on that website, but some of it is just drivel.
This seems counter-alpha to me. An alpha doesn't adapt as necessary. An alpha exudes confidence in what he is, he doesn't adapt or change himself. Its a you have it or you don't sort of thing. Others groups may try to mimick it with pseudo-confidence, but its never the same.
I think its a beta trait to adapt or even consider these sorts of categorizations useful. An alpha has no use for them. He knows he's the bomb, and he does what he wants... he dictates the social order, he has no need for adapting.
Everyone, men and women, are drawn to him by sheer charisma.
The ability to adapt shows superior intelligence. It is Darwinian. The dominant male is not just confident. They are smart. They can use tools. They can use situations. All else equal the most intelligent Alpha will be the AMOG. An AMOG will use the others strengths against themselves. Depending on the threat they will adapt. They use speed whne speed wins. The use force when force wins. This is adapting.
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Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
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Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
Some the nicest people I know are current and former 3rd Spec. Forces Group down the road at Ft. Bragg. Give you the shirt off their back, never get in arguments, kind to children and animals.
Some the nicest people I know are current and former 3rd Spec. Forces Group down the road at Ft. Bragg. Give you the shirt off their back, never get in arguments, kind to children and animals.
They have a blend of positve traits. Your example is very good sir. They aadapt to the needs of the situation. They have fewer limitations. They can operate in a very sane and loving way and yet in combat they will dominate thier enemies.
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Rectitude--Courage--Benevolence--Respect--Honesty--Honor--Loyalty
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
"Why do we fall? So we might learn to pick ourselves up."
"It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us."
I also think anybody who refers to themselves as an "Alphamale" has only made a conscious decision to appear like one out of ambition to be one.
I also wonder about the women who think their husbands are "alpha males", My sister use to say that about her ex-husband. Sure he was a very successful guy who started his own computer company. But he was also lucky being at the right moment in time. 5 or 10 years later, he would not have had such huge success. He was also nerdy, a big puss, afraid of germs and "scary people" on the streets and just a general uptight, conniving weirdo, who acted like a huge baby at the end of their marriage.
Not an alpha at all.
I agree with you, so many want to use that label since it has become so popular = the lusted after.
I think I speak about my husband very truthfully.... I don't try to brag him up for something he isn't... he is clearly more Beta....which has such a bad reputation....it often irritates me when I read articles comparing the 2. The Gamers love to slam them unrelentlessly and make them feel small.
My husband never did well with women, he hardly put himself out there though, he was shy, not very confident (not with women anyway), wouldn't want a leader position if you paid him, enjoys watching sappy movies, always the smiling gentlemen, forever the doting father & husband, faithful employee who is more a peace maker & can be counted on. When he gives his word, it happens. He is not the life of the party by any means, and he had his share of bullying in school. Half of this probably sounds pathetic to most women....but I wasn't one of them. I look deeper than the outside, these lables others throw on us...from how it appears, sometimes we could be missing a really beautiful thing.
I always ask.. what is the character deep within....just cause women are lining up for some doesn't mean anything.. in fact it might even mean more heartache down the road, depending.
Does everyone have to be a walking confidence king to = attraction. I guess I am a strange one cause that never did it for me....not even in my teens. I mean, you need to talk & carry a conversation of course & have some cababilities, be able to laugh at yourself. But a little shy.... I love it !!! It is a mystery to unravel.
I feel so many put on a facade when you meet them anyway, hustling for social acceptance - due to many of these praising Alpha write ups....so men learn how to FAKE who they are so well, so many gamers have spread this dribble on the internet. Anything to not appear BETA... heaven forbid, or you are worse than a rodent.
Then women have no idea who the hell they are really dating, only to find out later, what she really married was a selfish little boy.
My husband has ALL of the GOOD BETA traits in full supply. He could be a little more assertive (like those Alpha's) but none of us are perfect....I could be more patient..... he puts up with me!
I prefer this type of man, in fact I would clash with someone tipped Alpha... I've always had a thing for the shy guys. I wouldn't even want one high on a social ladder, cause he would be more likely to be a work aholic or so in demand by others, he would have little time for ME....or a constant worry women are falling at his feet, more temptation.... who needs all that hassle.... I'd rather marry a someone who cared more about the little things in life, togetherness.
This world is made up of introverts & extroverts, we often down the introverts, many of these men are tipped Beta. There is nothing wrong with this. More people need to recognize we all have our place. Becoming truly authentic in this world is what to strive for, not trying to fit anyone else's boxes.
No matter who it is... . we all have something to work on, even the true Alphas... they could stand to learn from those tipped more Beta.......but you won't hear that drum being played too often on the internet.
I haven't read much of this thread, so forgive me if I am saying something that doesn't fit here.
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