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Old 09-27-2012, 06:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Deejo's suggestion on doing something we're afraid of is 'radical'. I think I will try to internalize it. If I try bungee jumping, would that count?

Joking aside, NMMNG states that letting go and embrace the chaos in this universe (like no need to plan too far ahead in everything). So that's a good thing too. Halien has pointed out competitive attitude (at work and others) is another good thing.

I suppose I am not a big fan of getting the list defined by a female. However, maybe this one is articulated pretty good as a practical reference:

1. Don't let it all out - emotional restraint
2. Learn to say "No" - lay boundaries
3. Get your sheet together - make money with what your passionate about
4. Recognize traditional roles for male and female - like man opening door for a lady, women cook, men fix cars, etc
5. Healthy body, healthy mind - exercise
6. Dress in a way you're proud of - boost confidence
7. Engage in manly activities - time for ourselves

Taken from:
Hot Alpha Female » Blog Archive » Become A Man

There was a post from MEM somewhere in this forum too in another thread that shows some practical avenues too. I'll find it if I get a chance but the above gives concrete 7 points to remember. I try to memorize them so they become second nature for me and help me practice them everyday.

It is good that this topic is brought up from time to time in this forum. Can't say that there's a lack of dicussion on this matter though.

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The only way to up your ALPHA is to know exactly what you want ,go for it, and never back down when you'e right.

This has been my experience. That is the only way you will get respect.

I have a business.
We do jobs for lots of companies.
I did a job six months ago for a very large company, and they refused to pay me MY money which is a substantial amount.
Everytime I enquire politely they give me the run around.

So yesterday I decide to " up my ALPHA " and put on my
" Stewie Costume"
I call the accounts department.
Me;
" Hello , good afternoon, I am Mr. ..... and I am calling concerning a payment for * company's name *.When can I come and collect it?"
Girl on the line :
" Mr. ......,have you sent in all your documents?"
Me;
" Yes I have, over six months ago.."
Girl on the line :
* In a bythcy tone *
"..well I don't see anything here for you sir,so you will have to send the information back in again.."
Me:
" No. I am not going over this process again. I want my money."
Girl on the line:
* bytchy annoying tone *
" Sir, I already told you that you will have to.....* I interrupt *.."
Me;
" No.no,no . YOU LISTEN TO ME. I want my fvcking money TODAY. put me on to the accounts manager NOW please."
Girl on line;
" He's on another call sir.."
Me:
" Ok.., so you all want to play games? Tell your manager after he comes off the phone that I'm comming in for my money THIS AFTERNOON."

I then cut off the call, jump in my car and begin to head down to the office.
I call back the accounts dept., and talk to another girl who is frantically searching the computer trying to placate me.
I hang up again.

Then the manager calls me.

Me;
" Hello?"
Manager:
" Good afternoon Mr......., my humblest apologies. We do have your cheque ready but it needs one more signature....* I interrupt & cut him short*" .
Me:
In a slow, terse, measured response.
".What time today can I collect my cheque?"
Manager:
" Errrr ,I'm sorry sir,but it won't be ready today because that director is not in office.."
Me:
"What's your name sir?"
Manager:
" Mr........ "
Me:
" Mr......I would come to collect my cheque by noon tomorrow,have a nice afternoon.'

By 11.00 AM this morning, I got a call from the same bytchy girl saying that my cheque was ready.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The only way to up your ALPHA is to know exactly what you want ,go for it, and never back down when you'e right.

This has been my experience. That is the only way you will get respect.

I have a business.
We do jobs for lots of companies.
I did a job six months ago for a very large company, and they refused to pay me MY money which is a substantial amount.
Everytime I enquire politely they give me the run around.

So yesterday I decide to " up my ALPHA " and put on my
" Stewie Costume"
I call the accounts department.
Me;
" Hello , good afternoon, I am Mr. ..... and I am calling concerning a payment for * company's name *.When can I come and collect it?"
Girl on the line :
" Mr. ......,have you sent in all your documents?"
Me;
" Yes I have, over six months ago.."
Girl on the line :
* In a bythcy tone *
"..well I don't see anything here for you sir,so you will have to send the information back in again.."
Me:
" No. I am not going over this process again. I want my money."
Girl on the line:
* bytchy annoying tone *
" Sir, I already told you that you will have to.....* I interrupt *.."
Me;
" No.no,no . YOU LISTEN TO ME. I want my fvcking money TODAY. put me on to the accounts manager NOW please."
Girl on line;
" He's on another call sir.."
Me:
" Ok.., so you all want to play games? Tell your manager after he comes off the phone that I'm comming in for my money THIS AFTERNOON."

I then cut off the call, jump in my car and begin to head down to the office.
I call back the accounts dept., and talk to another girl who is frantically searching the computer trying to placate me.
I hang up again.

Then the manager calls me.

Me;
" Hello?"
Manager:
" Good afternoon Mr......., my humblest apologies. We do have your cheque ready but it needs one more signature....* I interrupt & cut him short*" .
Me:
In a slow, terse, measured response.
".What time today can I collect my cheque?"
Manager:
" Errrr ,I'm sorry sir,but it won't be ready today because that director is not in office.."
Me:
"What's your name sir?"
Manager:
" Mr........ "
Me:
" Mr......I would come to collect my cheque by noon tomorrow,have a nice afternoon.'

By 11.00 AM this morning, I got a call from the same bytchy girl saying that my cheque was ready.
CM, drives me NUTS how many business owners would back down faced with that situation! I had a client pull shenanigans like that with me once, I dropped them, and it wasn't until 7 years later when the purchasing manager herself called me and asked if we could do business again that I did. She now handles everything personally, no more "lost" payments or run around. (They were my largest client, btw). Thing is, if they don't want to pay, they aren't doing you any good anyway, so why deal with them.

An acquaintance owned a local business, now closed, because he allowed too many large accounts to owe him, then accepted the stories they concocted, and extended more credit.... Finally the whole thing collapsed on him, and he now works for what was his competitor.

As a business person, you either alpha up or disappear....
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An acquaintance owned a local business, now closed, because he allowed too many large accounts to owe him, then accepted the stories they concocted, and extended more credit.... Finally the whole thing collapsed on him, and he now works for what was his competitor.

As a business person, you either alpha up or disappear....
^^^^^^^^^
That is the ultimate disrespect in business. But sadly it happens to a lot of men.
They loose their respect,then their business , then their wife / women, then their family.
The same rule applies to life.
That's why I always say ," never take disrespect."

My brother in law used to work for one of the richest men in the Caribbean as a director in one of his companies.
This man is a billionaire. An old immigrant who fled civil war in Lebanon decades ago and came here to live. He was very successful in business. He was not educated,but he hired highly qualified men to run his business interest. His business empire stretches from Miami throughout the Caribbean , Central and South America.
So my brother in law gave me this account of what happened once on a crucial board meeting where they were discussing a " hostile take over" of a competing business in Jamaica .
The old man gave my BIL specific instructions on how he wanted the outcome of the board meeting to be. Everyone must say yes to the takeover.
Everyone voted no,and started giving all their reasons, blah,blah blah. Meeting rambling on.
My BIL reports back to the old man. He instructs him to call another board meeting and he will come and address the meeting.
Next meeting the old man comes into the meeting, sits at the head of the table, and addresses everyone about the strategic importance of the takeover etc. Men begin to object citing performance reports, economic outlook in Jamaica blah,blah. blah.
After about 15 mins, old man opens his briefcase , takes out a prepared document regarding the bid to acquire the shares,and reads it. Everybody looks at him as if he's crazy and starts to mumble, a few chuckles.
Old man takes out another document , an unsigned letter of resignation, and reads it.
He takes out his Sig Sauer handgun from his briefcase, places it on the table and passes both documents around .
Everybody signed on the " bid to acquire the shares" document, and the resignation document came back empty.

Today that company is the largest supplier of its products to the Caribbean and Central America.

Now,if that aint Alpha,I don't know what is!
And he's an old man!
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He takes out his Sig Sauer handgun from his briefcase, places it on the table and passes both documents around .
Everybody signed on the " bid to acquire the shares" document, and the resignation document came back empty.
Unbelievable, had I been there, there would have been ONE signature on the resignation document...mine.

And I would have been happy to tell the old man, "You didn't hire me to be a yes-woman. You hired me to look out for the best interests of this company and to work hard doing that. I don't agree and I'm not signing. I walked into this company looking for a job, and I will walk out looking for one again."

Then I would have gotten up and left. (Wouldn't be the first time I've REFUSED to be bullied into going along with management decisions that were NOT in the company's best interest.) That is the only way I can sleep well at night.
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There is no doubt in my mind that that old man is a gangster and his earnings illegal. He certainly operates his company in illegal ways right at the very top.


Of course the documents the directors signed have no standing in a court of law. He is operating his company illegally.


What you talk of is not alpha in the sense spoken of in TAM, within a marriage. What does he do when he wants sex, put a gun to his wife’s head and threaten to blow her brains out if she doesn’t comply? Come on for goodness sake get real.
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Unbelievable, had I been there, there would have been ONE signature on the resignation document...mine.

And I would have been happy to tell the old man, "You didn't hire me to be a yes-woman. You hired me to look out for the best interests of this company and to work hard doing that. I don't agree and I'm not signing. I walked into this company looking for a job, and I will walk out looking for one again."

Then I would have gotten up and left. (Wouldn't be the first time I've REFUSED to be bullied into going along with management decisions that were NOT in the company's best interest.) That is the only way I can sleep well at night.
"......Today that company is the largest supplier of its products to the Caribbean and Central America......."
^^^^^^^^
This part here is what makes him Alpha.

Knowing when to take a gamble and STAND BY IT.

Whether or not they resigned was inconsequential to his success. He was focused on what he wanted,he saw the end game,whilst they couldn't even see the game.
If they signed he wins.
And even if they all resigned he still wins.
He saw the bigger picture .

Signing the document didn't make them " yes men." They were " yes men" even before.
They refused to see the opportunity, and TAKE THE RISK because they were AFRAID of the outcome. They were the highly paid professionals,he was the poor , uneducated immigrant , AND HE GOT IT RIGHT.
They laughed at him at the beginning of the meeting
That was disrespect.

He built the organization from ground up.
That's what makes him ALPHA.

Also, one of his sons was on that board.
He fired him and bought in another guy from Germany to replace him.
Money doesn't guarantee success in business, but Alpha is necessary to be a real success in any competitive business environment.
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There is no doubt in my mind that that old man is a gangster and his earnings illegal. He certainly operates his company in illegal ways right at the very top.


Of course the documents the directors signed have no standing in a court of law. He is operating his company illegally.


What you talk of is not alpha in the sense spoken of in TAM, within a marriage. What does he do when he wants sex, put a gun to his wife’s head and threaten to blow her brains out if she doesn’t comply? Come on for goodness sake get real.
AFEH,
The corporate business world and marriage are two different things.
But the principle of Alpha in both remains the same.

Of course the document could not stand in a court of law.And they all had the option to resign.
But he would still have won. All he had to do is reconstruct the board and get the required quorum .
He is the top dog.
His main objective was to be the main supplier of a certain commodity in the region. His competitors were in financial trouble.
He saw his best opportunity.
They saw only financial burden and debt.

The idea is;
Aggression , Assertiveness and Confidence even in the face of overwhelming odds.
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The corporate business world and marriage are two different things.
But the principle of Alpha in both remains the same.

Aggression , Assertiveness and Confidence even in the face of overwhelming odds.
So what’s the moral of your story in relation to the thread? That CG gets himself a gun and threatens to blow his wife’s brains out if she doesn’t give him more sex?


Had all the sex I ever wanted without being your type of alpha male. In my world aggression is the last thing that gets me sex in the way I want it.
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So what’s the moral of your story in relation to the thread? That CG gets himself a gun and threatens to blow his wife’s brains out if she doesn’t give him more sex?


Had all the sex I ever wanted without being your type of alpha male. In my world aggression is the last thing that gets me sex in the way I want it.
I don't get that this thread was about simply getting more sex...
I think its about getting more respect and not being a pushover.
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I don't get that this thread was about simply getting more sex...
I think its about getting more respect and not being a pushover.
CG complains about the lack of sex in his marriage in another thread.

But as to whether it’s about sex or other things, aggression has no role to play in a marriage. Period. End of.



I can’t believe you truly advocate what you are saying here. Don’t get your way in your marriage? Get a gun and force the issue.



The guy who seems to be somewhat your hero is not running a legitimate company. His company is operated illegally, at the end of a gun!
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CG complains about the lack of sex in his marriage in another thread.

But as to whether it’s about sex or other things, aggression has no role to play in a marriage. Period. End of.



I can’t believe you truly advocate what you are saying here. Don’t get your way in your marriage? Get a gun and force the issue.



The guy who seems to be somewhat your hero is not running a legitimate company. His company is operated illegally, at the end of a gun!
AFEH,
I believe you're missing the point.
Maybe you could go back up and read my initial post of how I finally got to collect my cheque after six months of being run around.
Because I wasn't aggressive enough,they tried to screw me over.
I could have hired a lawyer,the case would have dragged on in the courts, and I would have lost my business.
Me showing aggression GOT ME MY MONEY.

Me showing aggression also got me some good sex last night because when I told my wife I finally got that cheque, she looked me in the eye and said:

"That's my man."
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I believe you're missing the point.
Maybe you could go back up and read my initial post of how I finally got to collect my cheque after six months of being run around.
Because I wasn't aggressive enough,they tried to screw me over.
I could have hired a lawyer,the case would have dragged on in the courts, and I would have lost my business.
Me showing aggression GOT ME MY MONEY.

Me showing aggression also got me some good sex last night because when I told my wife I finally got that cheque, she looked me in the eye and said:

"That's my man."
Yes, but you see you have the wrong processes in place for your account receivables. It’s no way to run a business, just like your alpha hero. But that’s way off topic.
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What you talk of is not alpha in the sense spoken of in TAM, within a marriage. What does he do when he wants sex, put a gun to his wife’s head and threaten to blow her brains out if she doesn’t comply? Come on for goodness sake get real.
I agree, this is not what the "alpha" people here on TAM seem to talk about. However to me it is exactly what pure alpha is - the guy got exactly what he wanted by whatever means necessary. He commanded their respect (yes in this case by intimidation and threat of fatal and illegal force). He was top dog.

This is why I was trying to argue in the other thread that I, and other guys with morals really aren't after being "alpha", all we want is to take the assertiveness and confidence traits of one and use them in an way that integrates with our kinder beta traits (ie the golden rule - do unto others) since it fit in better with our moral fiber that most people in this world have.

I have no choice to accept the continued misuse of (as how I have come to understand) the pure alpha socio-status, just wanted to point out how I perceive it when men and women on here are describing alpha guys as strong, kind, compassionate, and assertive. I mean the whole reason we use those greek letters in this way is to differentiate, so I do think it is important we get it right.

And as for that directors meeting, wow would I be furious, but I really don't know how I'd have acted if threatened that way, I probably would have caved too - A good person would act on principle and realize that standing up to someone that brings a gun to a meeting will ultimately result in bloodshed and/or death very possibly their own, and is it worth risking just for a company?
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