Soooooooooooo..... you are saying that men are pigs and will try to take advantage of any woman, and that women (even in a group of friends) are too fragile and vulnerable and should just stay home and be protected by their husband?
Soooooooooooo..... you are saying that men are pigs and will try to take advantage of any woman, and that women (even in a group of friends) are too fragile and vulnerable and should just stay home and be protected by their husband?
Wow.
I don't see what you posted in what I posted. So no that is not at all what I said.
No, not what you said..... it's what you implied. That the men out there aren't to be trusted, because they will try to take advantage of women. And that women should not put themselves in this position... especially 7 hours away. (Because somehow, distance is directly related to levels of fidelity?)
Women who are looking to play/flirt/cheat will find no shortage of partners, just like men with similar ideas. But this topic was about going out with a group of women, to a place she's been several times, and never given her h any reason to question her actions... so where, how far, and what else is going on there (rumors) should be irrelevant because she in no way appears to be susceptible to cheating.
I guess it's kind of cute that men want to look after their women and keep them safe. From a woman's POV tho, it sure looks like a lack of trust and faith. I'd like to think that my husband knows that I can look after myself, and I'd like to think that my girlfriends and I look after each other, and I don't know any grown women who cheat just because they've been drinking.
I'm thinking we will never see each other's point of view, which is fine...to each his own.
Soooooooooooo..... you are saying that men are pigs and will try to take advantage of any woman, and that women (even in a group of friends) are too fragile and vulnerable and should just stay home and be protected by their husband?
Wow.
Sorry Ent, I got the same vibe as Sunny. The whole women are damsels in distress and too feeble to handle themselves and men are predators who swoop in and turn a virtueous woman into the Scarlet A.
Aren't we a tad dramatic. Women can, and I have proved it before....go out and have fun with the girls without winding up in some dudes bed. Just as a man can go out with his buddies drinking at a sports bar without ending up getting a bj from the waitress.
Stop it!
logic/fact = in every night club that a woman or group of women would go to, there is at least one male predator, but most of the men there aren't the type that would relentlessly pursue it even after being told no. Also fact is that as long as that guy is pursuing he has the attention of the entire group of women, once he has that attention all he needs to so is smile and the ball is rolling. After a long enough period or number of occasions this behavior begins to be tolerated as normal, harmless, fun... and he has made it beyond the next level. Keep chipping away and suddenly the married woman's domestic home life with her boring/responsible H doesn't look so appealing. etc etc... then just keep going with exactly what entropy, AFEH, the guy etc all the males on here who have learned how this game works, have to say because it is true.
logic/fact = in every night club that a woman or group of women would go to, there is at least one male predator, but most of the men there aren't the type that would relentlessly pursue it even after being told no. Also fact is that as long as that guy is pursuing he has the attention of the entire group of women, once he has that attention all he needs to so is smile and the ball is rolling. After a long enough period or number of occasions this behavior begins to be tolerated as normal, harmless, fun... and he has made it beyond the next level. Keep chipping away and suddenly the married woman's domestic home life with her boring/responsible H doesn't look so appealing. etc etc... then just keep going with exactly what entropy, AFEH, the guy etc all the males on here who have learned how this game works, have to say because it is true.
It works on week people in other words. The same could be said for both sexes.
Okay, let's look at this from a different perspective then. If we are going to say that women are vulnerable in that situation, then aren't men as well? Complaining that the wife never wants sex, she's a nag, etc. Would you feel the same if a guy goes to sports bar with his buddies where half dressed women serve him alcohol? Is that acceptable?
My point is, the situation isn't the problem, it's the individual.
Sorry Ent, I got the same vibe as Sunny. The whole women are damsels in distress and too feeble to handle themselves and men are predators who swoop in and turn a virtueous woman into the Scarlet A.
Aren't we a tad dramatic. Women can, and I have proved it before....go out and have fun with the girls without winding up in some dudes bed. Just as a man can go out with his buddies drinking at a sports bar without ending up getting a bj from the waitress.
Stop it!
Sorry, guys not my issue. We will have to agree to disagree. It is the same agrument we have continually about the meat market GNOs.
It works on week people in other words. The same could be said for both sexes.
Okay, let's look at this from a different perspective then. If we are going to say that women are vulnerable in that situation, then aren't men as well? Complaining that the wife never wants sex, she's a nag, etc. Would you feel the same if a guy goes to sports bar with his buddies where half dressed women serve him alcohol? Is that acceptable?
My point is, the situation isn't the problem, it's the individual.
It does work for people. The only caveat I will make is that women seem to care about not getting attention. We see this all over the place, So some gamer gives the wife some attention. She feels so starved for attention because her hubby is working long hours and she has been stuck home with the kids so she plays along with it a while because she is having fun. With no intention of going further. But the gamer keeps doing what he does, in breaking down her boundaries one at a time as she continues to drink and drink and flirt. If she is dancing with him too then all that much easier. I don't think of her as a damsel. I think of her as a wife seeking attention. Who is too arrogant to think she cannot be gamed. Add to that that she had an argument with hubby before the trip. Nothing huge just a tiff.
An avergae guy walks into a club full of 100 women who are drinking and having fun. He announces he has his room key and would anyone like to have sex with him? How many women jump to go with him? Idunno. Probably greater than zero with this group.
An average woman walks into a club full of 100 men who are drinking and having fun. She announces she has her room key and would anyone like to have sex with her? How many men jump to go with her. You do the math. Less than 100 for sure. The rest will wait for the next average woman. Remember from Athol's book, men will have sex with women below their own sex rank.
Now lets make that group of men the group of men who are in those clubs who are looking for some action. Not just avergae guys. That can go for the group of women too.
My point is that all else is not equal.
A guy walks out of the club by himself and walks back to his hotel alone. He is less likely to be followed and attacked than a woman doing the same thing. There is an extra element of risk for women becasue they are women. We also here story after story of friends who do not look out after each other in these scenarios. I am sure that varies.
It does work for people. The only caveat I will make is that women seem to care about not getting attention. We see this all over the place, So some gamer gives the wife some attention. She feels so starved for attention because her hubby is working long hours and she has been stuck home with the kids so she plays along with it a while because she is having fun. With no intention fo going further. But the gamer keeps doing what he does, in breaking down her boundaries one at a times as she continues to drink and drink and flirt. If she is dancing with him too then all that much easier. I don't think of her as a damsel. I think of her as a iwfe seeking attention. Who is too arrogant to think she cannot be gamed.
Again, the same is true for the hubby at the office working those long hours. The wife doesn't give him the attention so he falls victim to the co-worker.
Like I said, it isn't the location or situation....it is the individual.
Arrogant, huh?
THIS is correct. I said this.... if women (or men) go out LOOKING for attention, sure they are susceptible. I just thought we were talking about happily married, trustworthy women hanging out in a group....with no men.
@Lon....really? You think some guy, no matter how charming, is so irrisistable that happily married women might disregard their husband and cheat? But that if they don't go out without their husbands they'd be ok? Is that because they can't think for themselves? They just can't make a decision to be faithful ...even if the lech is really, really hot?
Entropy, you imply that all men can have any woman they want, anytime............if you really believe this, you are just a tad bit full of yourself, as in, "God's gift to Women"............you also mention the wife thinking of her "boring/responsible" husband at home, as if boring and responsible are synonymous, they aren't............and if you think you are thought of as "boring" by your wife, then that's YOUR fault..................after reading your comments on this thread though, I think you are the very kind of guy that other guys have to work very hard at proving we aren't all like.
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