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12-04-2011 08:59 PM
FirstYearDown
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by mr.rightaway View Post
But not too busy to post regularly on a pink relationship help forum. You see, this forum is helpful, so I enjoy spending my time here. Picking apart commercials is not going to change anything in my world, but if others evidently choose to do so, good for them. I was just stating my opinion.

It is relevant to the issue of gender roles and that relates to feminism's equaling of said gender roles, which was the movement's point, and it is also the point of a discussion such as this. Yes, I realize that. I can read. One can take issue with it simply being a commercial, and that is his/her prerogative. Images (print or TV) are important messages, whether it be burning bras, the adult film industry, dad moms or even going back to Annie's "Anything you can do, I can do better." Many points on how media relates to this were discussed earlier in the thread.Since I have enough time to post here religiously, I have also been following this thread. I even posted in it.



You will, hopefully, be taught how to utilize critical thinking skills (looking at multiple angles of a subject, macro level and micro level) when you are seeking your education.I hope that your reading comprehension and attention to detail will improve someday. It is really cute the way you attempted to belittle me, yet you only managed to make yourself look rather presumptious and asinine.
12-04-2011 02:26 PM
SockPuppet
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by mr.rightaway View Post
The issue is that it's crossed over into a sense of entitlement or has been taken out of context over time, and the after-effects of all that.

Feminism is certainly not alone in this.
12-04-2011 10:02 AM
mr.rightaway
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by Enchantment View Post
I subscribe to several sites where I receive quotes via email. Yesterday I received this one regarding what feminism is - or rather what it should be.

"I do not wish them (women) to have power over men, but over themselves." ~Mary Wollstonecraft

That pretty much says it all for me.
The issue is that it's crossed over into a sense of entitlement or has been taken out of context over time, and the after-effects of all that.

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I see this thread is still going.
I do think, perhaps, that you are on to something here. It's time for me to bow out of this feminism thread. I need to do a better job at finding that “Weaning myself off of TAM” thread that I saw a few weeks back.

To the future!
12-04-2011 10:02 AM
mr.rightaway
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by FirstYearDown View Post
Life is too short and too busy to analyze everything that comes on TV.
But not too busy to post regularly on a pink relationship help forum.

It is relevant to the issue of gender roles and that relates to feminism's equaling of said gender roles, which was the movement's point, and it is also the point of a discussion such as this. One can take issue with it simply being a commercial, and that is his/her prerogative. Images (print or TV) are important messages, whether it be burning bras, the adult film industry, dad moms or even going back to Annie's "Anything you can do, I can do better." Many points on how media relates to this were discussed earlier in the thread.

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I had to stop being friends with this woman my age, because she was stupid and had no ambition.

All she wanted to do was push out babies and stay home with them. She did not try to persue higher education or a career. Hello? Is this 1952?? I would rather drink bleach than live off of a man, which is why I am returning to school to further my career prospects.
You will, hopefully, be taught how to utilize critical thinking skills (looking at multiple angles of a subject, macro level and micro level) when you are seeking your education.
12-03-2011 05:05 PM
SockPuppet
Re: Feminism....

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I have no clue why everybody is getting all uppity. I don't believe it was stated here that a career woman is intrinsically better than a SAHM. I never felt that way. I have however said that I would strongly discourage a woman from giving up financial dependence due to the fact that the laws have changed so drastically and there is little financial protection for a woman who has been out of the work force for many years raising children.

As for Carlin, if you believe that, then clearly feminism is lost on you. If middle class white women don't care about the plight of any other woman with a different skin color, then explain to me why is it that women (gasp....white middle class women) brought to the worlds attention female genital mutilation and breast rolling....two decidedly "none white" womens issues? Nevermind that we continue to fight for womens rights globally (me in Mexico) both with our voices, time and wallets. Never saw Carlin care much except when Comedy Central was filming him, Whoopi and Billy to raise funds for homeless people. After the cameras stopped rolling he most certainly took hoards of homeless men, women and children to his mid town Manhattan 46th floor apartment, right? Ever seen it? I have. He sure took NIMBY to a whole new level while of course pointing a crooked finger at everybody else.....particularly white middle class women.
The Carlin bit is almost 40 years old and might have meant more back then, and meant to help lighten the mood In regards to his personal take on any of these issues.... I dont have a clue, hes a funny guy and thats enough for me.

I was just jumping on the "Working class women are evil" bandwagon.
12-03-2011 03:38 PM
LimboGirl
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by Enchantment View Post
I see this thread is still going.

I subscribe to several sites where I receive quotes via email. Yesterday I received this one regarding what feminism is - or rather what it should be.

"I do not wish them (women) to have power over men, but over themselves." ~Mary Wollstonecraft

That pretty much says it all for me.
12-03-2011 12:40 PM
Enchantment
Re: Feminism....

I see this thread is still going.

I subscribe to several sites where I receive quotes via email. Yesterday I received this one regarding what feminism is - or rather what it should be.

"I do not wish them (women) to have power over men, but over themselves." ~Mary Wollstonecraft

That pretty much says it all for me.
12-03-2011 08:23 AM
FirstYearDown
Re: Feminism....

I think that it is normal for commercials to show how well a product works. I highly doubt it is meant as an insult.

Life is too short and too busy to analyze everything that comes on TV.
12-02-2011 11:20 AM
mr.rightaway
Re: Feminism....

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We don't watch television (just movies and the such), so we don't see a lot of these ads. But when we do, we laugh. Such horseshet.
Comes on during news programming.
12-02-2011 10:20 AM
that_girl
Re: Feminism....

I'm a proud homemaker. I know how to use my appliances and paper towels. lollll I get excited about getting a new blender, mixer or vacuum. Can't help it.

We don't watch television (just movies and the such), so we don't see a lot of these ads. But when we do, we laugh. Such horseshet.

And those "not so fresh feeling" commercials make me laugh too. If you're not so fresh, try taking a shower....Also, the cologne commercials that show some guy who sprays on a scent and automatically he's a babe magnet. lol.

Think for yourselves, people.
12-02-2011 10:16 AM
Therealbrighteyes
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by mr.rightaway View Post

Examples? And not just ones where you disagree with gender undertones for women (housewife duties/career woman goals).
Why can't those be examples? Don't you think it is insulting as all get out to be "shown" how to use a paper towel/laundry soap/Windex/mop? Do those ads EVER feature a man doing it? Even better, should it be acceptable that women are constantly told their private regions stink and need this, that and whatever for that "not so fresh feeling"? Ever heard a commercial telling a dude his junk stinks? Me neither.
12-02-2011 09:59 AM
mr.rightaway
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes View Post
Also if you look at the subtle undertone in this commercial, it implies only women know how to do/should do laundry. The ad alienates both genders, not one.
That's what I said: Aimed at housewives themselves. Or wait, maybe it is...no, hold on a second, or maybe it isn't. It's confusing, but for some reason, I think that is exactly the point of what was intended (which I don't get). It is what's become of gender roles in our society. The character in the commercial doesn't even exist in real life. In marketing, one of the things you want to do is reach as many people as possible with your message. The commercial plays to that concept, and it "tries" to appeal to actual "men." I guess?

If this is supposed to be a modern-day Rosie the Riveter for men, it fails.

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Commercials routinely make a mockery of women but I don't see you flapping about that.
Examples? And not just ones where you disagree with gender undertones for women (housewife duties/career woman goals).
12-02-2011 09:15 AM
Therealbrighteyes
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by mr.rightaway View Post
This is worse. They are commercializing the feminization of men and passing it off as normal and acceptable. This isn't a typical man who stays home, and if it is, I just don't know what to say. I find it hard to believe that exists, which then begs the question, "Why market it in this way?" The commercial makes a mockery of those dads who actually do stay home. It's a joke. I think the commercial is actually aimed at housewives themselves, and if that's the case, I clearly do not understand marketing practices in 2011. I find this commercial disturbing and highly offensive. But of course, it's all harmless.
How is this worse? Commercials routinely make a mockery of women but I don't see you flapping about that. Also if you look at the subtle undertone in this commercial, it implies only women know how to do/should do laundry. The ad alienates both genders, not one.
12-01-2011 09:59 PM
mr.rightaway
Re: Feminism....

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I hate that commercial!
This is worse. They are commercializing the feminization of men and passing it off as normal and acceptable. This isn't a typical man who stays home, and if it is, I just don't know what to say. I find it hard to believe that exists, which then begs the question, "Why market it in this way?" The commercial makes a mockery of those dads who actually do stay home. It's a joke. I think the commercial is actually aimed at housewives themselves, and if that's the case, I clearly do not understand marketing practices in 2011. I find this commercial disturbing and highly offensive. But of course, it's all harmless.
12-01-2011 09:34 PM
that_girl
Re: Feminism....

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Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes View Post
This commercial is as insulting as Bounty "demonstrating" to women the complexity of using a paper towel. Neither sex is that stupid. As for your where have all the cowboys gone.....not sure what to make of that. A man can be plenty man by being a SAHD. I do not nor would I ever view them as less manly because of such.
I hate that commercial!
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