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Re: Strict Paleo diet for A/I issues??

Totally agree. Went to the docs this summer to deal with AI issues, put me on meds, I ended up in the emergency room. Doesn't take long to learn to stay away.


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Western medicine is so compartmentalized, and honestly sometimes I think it creates more problems than it solves! I'm trying to strike a healthy "east meets west" balance.

A WE diet, WE all should join but I am eating cheese fries later so I am on the midwest diet where we end up as cows. *Grumble grumble, moo moo*

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Agree... I did a lot of research before buying the one I have. I think its why it has been so good.
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I also have tried smaller probiotic dosing, and see a nice change. Megadosing sounds promising. Really made me wonder how much of our autoimmune issues are a result of docs not advising patients to hit probiotics hard after taking antibiotics. When I had our son I was given 11 rounds of the same antibiotic they use to treat anthrax, so HEAVY DUTY stuff. Not one mention of probiotics following dismissal from the hospital.
Blossom, I have a neuro-scientist friend who is currently working on research to present to the military to try to get them to STOP the prophylactic use of antibiotics in troops being sent abroad. These poor men and women come back with huge GI issues, and often PTSD. Then the meds traditionally proscribed for the PTSD are often ineffective because of the damage done by the antibiotics. So its a really horrible cycle that could have been avoided.

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Blossom, I have a neuro-scientist friend who is currently working on research to present to the military to try to get them to STOP the prophylactic use of antibiotics in troops being sent abroad. These poor men and women come back with huge GI issues, and often PTSD. Then the meds traditionally proscribed for the PTSD are often ineffective because of the damage done by the antibiotics. So its a really horrible cycle that could have been avoided.
Fascinating. I also have PTSD. Makes you wonder how reversible it might be if the GI tract is fully addressed.

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It's never as simple as just taking a probiotic, and mega doses are simply a marketing ploy. One can take all the probiotics one can stomach, but the conditions in the gut must be favorable for the growth and proliferation of these beneficial bacteria. Which means:

1. Proper PH in the stomach, small intestines, and bowels.

2. No competing pathological bacteria/yeasts/parasites in the gut.

Think of it as cultivating a garden, and your current conditions are not amenable to growing a good crop.

First, WEED out the bad stuff (parasites, yeast, bad bacteria). There are herbal methods of doing this.

Second FEED your gut to set up a good environment, heal the damage, and restore the proper beneficial bacteria.

Standard Process has an excellent Weed and Feed protocol for restoration of the gut.

In my experience, many people have problems with the very first step of digestion, which then causes a cascade of other digestion issues (inflammatory bowel, leaky gut) further along in the process. And that issue is a stomach that isnt producing enough HCl to digest the enormous meals we consume.

Get your stomach PH corrected, and almost everything else falls into place. Don't, and you will struggle.

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Get your stomach PH corrected, and almost everything else falls into place. Don't, and you will struggle.
Excellent points, Three. I agree that it is imperative to find the right pH and "balance" in the gut.

And I agree that the cascade effect starts from the very beginning. I had my vitamin/mineral levels checked recently and the results were pretty dismal despite eating a very healthy diet (or so I thought) and taking a good multivitamin. I've since started taking HCl betaine with most meals and have found that I am having far fewer digestive issues. I am planning on repeating the test in a few months to see if the absorption is improving.

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As far as Western Medicine goes, I reluctantly went that route last year when my symptoms started showing up. Very frustrating path, especially with the new health insurance situation.
Agree completely. I feel very fortunate that my family doc is a D.O. who practices Functional/Integrative medicine. But the dermatologist I went to see for the Hidradenitis Suppurativa is a whole other story. The first thing she wanted to do was throw antibiotics at me despite the fact that it is an A/I condition and antibiotics are about the worst thing when trying to repair the gut. So frustrating...

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I've been following Dr. Mark Hyman who practices Functional Medicine.
I like Dr. Hyman's site and have found loads of good information there. It makes perfect sense to me to treat the entire body as an integrated system rather than individual body parts. The "individual body parts" method has not worked too well for me in the past .

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If you are taking probiotics do yourself a favor and have a shot of apple cider vinegar every day. it's like steroids for the little buggers.


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If you are taking probiotics do yourself a favor and have a shot of apple cider vinegar every day. it's like steroids for the little buggers.
I already do this! I use Bragg's Organic Apple Cider Vinegar morning and night. I mix it with a little bit of water. It definitely helps balance the pH -- I've proven it with pH strips .

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I already do this! I use Bragg's Organic Apple Cider Vinegar morning and night. I mix it with a little bit of water. It definitely helps balance the pH -- I've proven it with pH strips .
I'm sure you know that salivary or urinary pH strips don't correlate with your gut pH levels.

Betaine HCl is what I recommend as well.

Vinegar helps some because it is a weak acid. Nothing compared to the HCl in your stomach, though.

Sounds like you are doing everything right, Happy. You just need time.

Regarding the A/I response, tho....could take years or never resolve. Because the damage has been done and your body has already developed an immune response to your own tissues. Sometimes the severity of symptoms will decrease with time. Not all immunity is "for life", and I hope that holds true in your case.

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I'm sure you know that salivary or urinary pH strips don't correlate with your gut pH levels.

Betaine HCl is what I recommend as well.

Vinegar helps some because it is a weak acid. Nothing compared to the HCl in your stomach, though.

Sounds like you are doing everything right, Happy. You just need time.

Regarding the A/I response, tho....could take years or never resolve. Because the damage has been done and your body has already developed an immune response to your own tissues. Sometimes the severity of symptoms will decrease with time. Not all immunity is "for life", and I hope that holds true in your case.
Thanks Three. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can get into some kind of a "remission" of symptoms. I agree that much damage has already likely occurred. I went through all of this about 10 years ago and thought I had solved my problems by giving up gluten. Fast forward a decade and alas, that's not the case . Just more and different problems now.

And yes, I am aware the urine and saliva strips do not correlate with gut and blood pH levels, but they're helpful because I can see an upward trend quickly and easily.

On an encouraging note, I am noticing a dramatic improvement in symptoms on this 30-day A/I diet. The trick will be slowly adding things back in to see what I'm left with being able to eat. One thing I am doing is really mixing up the foods I AM eating right now; the last thing I want to do is create another intolerance by eating too much of the same thing!

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I already do this! I use Bragg's Organic Apple Cider Vinegar morning and night. I mix it with a little bit of water. It definitely helps balance the pH -- I've proven it with pH strips .
It certainly wakes you up too huh?! Man is that stuff rough.

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That it is.

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