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#1 ·
I heard on TV that many young college girls are selling themselves to pornographers for money. Prostitution for Education.

What a concept. Finishing school with no debt. And hopefully, no permanent STD.

Nothing new here. Women have been doing this since the beginning of time. This is the result of sexual freedom for women and for men in our [modern?] society.

Soon, nothing will be out-of-bounds. Everything will be OK to do. It is your' lfe...do with it what you want. Just do not break any 'civil' laws.

Is this a good thing? I have my opinion, what is yours?
 
#2 ·
If women are doing this, so are men. There are a lot of gay pornography that pays as well.

My bet is that it's a very small percentage of people who will prostitute themselves to pay off their student debt. There have always been prostitutes. Nothing new here really.

Not that I condone it. It's just that prostitution is nothing new--the oldest profession.
 
#7 ·
If women are doing this, so are men. There are a lot of gay pornography that pays as well.

My bet is that it's a very small percentage of people who will prostitute themselves to pay off their student debt. There have always been prostitutes. Nothing new here really.

Not that I condone it. It's just that prostitution is nothing new--the oldest profession.
That small percentage is getting larger....as societies mores' get smaller.

People do as people see [as others do]. It is incipient "incrementalism" that dooms societies, then the world.

Capture the youth.....you capture the future world.

It happens again and again.....multi-generation Ulysses knows this, first hand.

Is there any saving grace?-----> Each generation [or so] swings back in the other direction. I suspect the internet age and commercialism will prevent this.

I fear that short of a comet slamming into our planet [killing the vast masses of mankind], we are at risk of dying as a species.

We have begun the journey, heading downhill, the brakes have long since gone, rubbed off..to the steel backing...sparks are flying....causing brush fires in the hinterland, sexual furry-bush fires in the cities.
 
#3 ·
I worked in Rotterdam a few years ago.I have a habit of walking very early in the morning and one morning I went to an all night cafe for breakfast.I got talking to a really beautiful girl and she told me she was a medical student in Belgium.We left the cafe together and as we were standing outside on the street she told me she was paying her way through college by working as a prostitute.A few minutes later a car pulled up and it was her father,he knew what she did and supported her decision.
Coincidentally a few weeks later a few of us were on a bar crawl one Saturday night and we went into a club and she was there,she came over and said hello and then asked me was I or my friends interested in ****ing her.
We politely declined.
If anyone is interested she was charging four hundred euro for thirty minutes,that was 2003 and equivalent to about five hundred dollars at the time.
 
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#4 ·
I tend to run pretty libertarian. She's an adult, it's her body, and she should do with it as she pleases. I hope she understands the risks and all the ramifications first. The Internet is forever, available for her children to see. The taxpayer should not be on the hook for someone else's unreasonably risky behavior.

This is not something I would recommend for anyone I know.
 
#5 ·
Nothing new.

In my college days in the 1980's I knew quite a few ladies that traded sex for rent free apartments. They concentrated on studying while living with no rent and all utilities payed for.

I had no respect for them as I viewed it as form of prostitution.
 
#15 ·
I agree it is another form of prostitution but probably a safer option both emotionally and physically.The main dangers in prostitution are catching an std,being attacked and beaten up or even killed by a customer and the other one is someone recognising you either now or in the future.Having a sugar daddy lowers the chances of any of this.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I think they are mistaken, they think they can do this and there will be not cost for it. In the end I believe there is a cost down the line. Personally I always saw this as substituting a monetary cost for an emotional one.
 
#9 ·
First sensing, then learning, then knowing about Cycles.....not Harleys or Schwinns, I know that change is unstoppable.

We, as a species...are *not.

Just Sayin'
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Actually, we *are. But that is a topic for another day....not for the "Hoi Polloi !"
 
#11 ·
We forget the other side of this coin.

University Presidents are sometimes paying themselves CEO style / level compensation packages.

Admin staff are paid 6 figure salaries.

Teaching staff are paid piecemeal / by the hour in class (screw preparation and one on one time with a student .... you can do it, but we won't you pay for it....)

Well, the powers that be aren't showing any coherent mores either.
 
#12 ·
This is nothing new. In fact it has been going on since the beginning of time. If anything else society is just becoming more honest about it. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession. Charley Sheen had the right idea about it.
 
#18 ·
This is so true. Many of us had jobs that were demeaning, low thought, low skill, no fun whatsoever. Mindless hand-eye motion. We were a cog in the wheel.

Though nobody entered a body orifice at work.....they did enter your mind. And they abused it.

Work is unavoidable....sexually prostituting oneself is avoidable.

Just Sayin'
 
#20 · (Edited)
I have had the priviledge to serve several ladies "in the business" as financial advisor and tax accountant. Our tax system requires that "entertainers" pay their tax. In a former life I drove a taxicab, (great way to earn your way through university), and discovered that there were a number of students working their way through school on their backs. One night get a regular call from an escort service to deliver and wait for one of the girls. Started talking to her, and she noticed my jacket, had my college and year on it, aha, turns out she's at a sister college and a year behind me. University costs, residence costs, books cost, this was a solution. Many graduated without student loans, a few are now professionals in other areas.
 
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#22 ·
People are more honest about it.. with that.. it's become more acceptable...more & more will jump on the Sugar Daddy train, the exchange for stripping our clothes to be penetrated by old men they'd never give the time of day....All of this reduces sex to something VERY UGLY ...that's what I see... .. USING others for selfish gain...while devaluing one of the most beautiful expressions of love & devotion given & shared with another, someone very special..

I know my way of thinking is Old fashioned, romantic, sentimental, giving & about sharing ...with that said.... what has greatly changed with all this.. is a growing # of people no longer value these things...just as society has embraced the casual "no strings" attitude... the more the better... hail to experience , doesn't matter if he's a **** you never care to see again! ... Ya know.. when people complain - where did all the good men & women go... let us look in the mirror to what we find acceptable these days.... that it doesn't matter what we do anymore... how we live... we defend ANYTHING that gets us ahead.. whether stepping on others, manipulating to get to the top...it all starts with "USING" someone ..

It's just another layer of the onion being pulled back in how we've embraced casual sex....if screwing strangers is completely acceptable why wouldn't this be....why would it stop here...and now we defend... there is no shame anymore.

I believe that this type of engagement CHANGES these women...and I'll never understand the men..isn't it lowering themselves to pay someone to want to be with them?? I guess for a Hot babe...men will do anything, some of it is pure showing off having her on his arm.. but what is it worth if she cringes while he's penetrating her (sick if you ask me)... if one learns to compartmentalize sex like this... it tends to loose all emotion, something could be fundamentally lost from this sort of lifestyle early in a young woman's life...anyone involved in porn, rampant partners has struggled with this... there is a detachment that goes along with "surviving" such a lifestyle....

Here is an opinion from a said "Sugar baby".... taken from this article... Hooking Up to Get Out of Debt. Sex for College Tuition.

One reader said, “To be honest I have always struggled with the moral aspect of the sugar lifestyle, because I am conservative in upbringing, and am strongly opposed to gold digging! But being a sugar baby isn’t about being a gold digger! As a student, I wanted a boyfriend who will shower me with gifts, treat me like a princess, and of course take the financial stresses out of my life. And what’s wrong with that? ”
She asks what's wrong with that? Using her own words... what do you think ?
 
#23 ·
People are more honest about it.. with that.. it's become more acceptable...more & more will jump on the Sugar Daddy train, the exchange for stripping our clothes to be penetrated by old men they'd never give the time of day....All of this reduces sex to something VERY UGLY ...that's what I see... .. USING others for selfish gain...while devaluing one of the most beautiful expressions of love & devotion given & shared with another, someone very special..

I know my way of thinking is Old fashioned, romantic, sentimental, giving & about sharing ...with that said.... what has greatly changed with all this.. is a growing # of people no longer value these things...just as society has embraced the casual "no strings" attitude... the more the better... hail to experience , doesn't matter if he's a **** you never care to see again! ... Ya know.. when people complain - where did all the good men & women go... let us look in the mirror to what we find acceptable these days.... that it doesn't matter what we do anymore... how we live... we defend ANYTHING that gets us ahead.. whether stepping on others, manipulating to get to the top...it all starts with "USING" someone ..

It's just another layer of the onion being pulled back in how we've embraced casual sex....if screwing strangers is completely acceptable why wouldn't this be....why would it stop here...and now we defend... there is no shame anymore.

I believe that this type of engagement CHANGES these women...and I'll never understand the men..isn't it lowering themselves to pay someone to want to be with them?? I guess for a Hot babe...men will do anything, some of it is pure showing off having her on his arm.. but what is it worth if she cringes while he's penetrating her (sick if you ask me)... if one learns to compartmentalize sex like this... it tends to loose all emotion, something could be fundamentally lost from this sort of lifestyle early in a young woman's life...anyone involved in porn, rampant partners has struggled with this... there is a detachment that goes along with "surviving" such a lifestyle....

Here is an opinion from a said "Sugar baby".... taken from this article... Hooking Up to Get Out of Debt. Sex for College Tuition.



She asks what's wrong with that? Using her own words... what do you think ?
You are basing your statement on your own feelings which is fine but that's not what's going on in these situations.These girls (mostly girls) see their looks as an asset which they can take advantage of.Young people these days see things a lot differently than people of even one generation ago,especially sex.Sex is about as "special"to the average eighteen year old as brushing their teeth.You have a situation where young people are going out each weekend and sleeping with a different partner,by their twenties some of them may have had a hundred different partners.
So instead some girl meets an older or maybe an ugly guy and they come to an arrangement,you can call it sugar daddy or fwb but it amounts to the same.They both get what they want.
Again you are projecting your own sentiments on to these girls which in your case is admirable but not realistic.
Your line about her cringing when he enters her made me smile.
Do you think he cares?
 
#25 ·
And that is your choice which you are fully entitled to.The point I'm trying to make is what people of previous generations think about sex has no bearing on today's young people.Not all of them of course but a sizeable percentage.
Is there a huge difference in a woman twenty years ago using her good looks to have numerous "dates" buy her dinner five times a week,saving her money and cooking time, and a girl who uses her looks to get a place to live.
I understand that this may come back to haunt them in the future but that's the choice they made.
 
#27 ·
When you do work for the benefit of another and sell your mental or physical labor to do it, you are deciding what your personal resources are worth what wage.

You can have a moral debate if sex falls into some magical other category.

But, in fairness from a certain perspective, if you are a woman who does not fully financially support herself and the trade is offering companionship and domestic skills (and likely? hopefully? sex) to a partner/spouse, then that is a decision both partners make of a trade of resources. And that's a fair decision for all people involved to make. And there are plenty of threads here about how wives are seemingly bothered by being penetrated by their husbands for any number of reasons - is that more or less vile?

So "leasing" those services is morally right, but renting them shorter term isn't? I'm mostly playing Devil's Advocate, but just saying.
 
#30 ·
In previous generations the poor young woman trading on her looks and charm would marry the older man. He'd support her and pay for her education while she'd provide him sex and companionship. Once she was capable of self supporting, she'd divorce and go on with her life. This generation is engaging in the exact same behavior, but instead of being called "first husband" the man is called a "Sugar Daddy".
 
#37 ·
This is yet another reason why education should be free or heavily subsidized as it is in many countries. An educated population benefits the country, not just the individual.
 
#41 ·
Debt early in life is a big deal. You work to pay it off during the time that you should be saving for a home. Some people are not able to get high paying jobs after college and the debt becomes a huge burden.

For others, student loans don't cover all of their college courses, so they have to work. Working normal jobs takes time that is desperately needed for study.

Prostitution can be very ugly, but sometimes the alternatives are not very attractive either.
 
#49 ·
People are free to make their own choices in life.

You must always choose wisely.

What I have an issue with, is when people complain about having to suffer from the consequences of their choices, like the woman who comes here and doesn't understand why her fiancé dumped her when he found out he was a prostitute in her youth (hypothetical). "Don't judge me for my past." I most certainly do not have the authority to do so, and I would do my best to see you as the person you are NOW because I think that we ALL have story, but I do expect an adult to own their choices and the possible impact. It's called risk, and life has may inherent and not so inherent risks. It's unfortunate that so many young women (and men) are not able to forsee consequences in the future with the same eyes as they would if they were more wise to the world.
 
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People are free to make their own choices in life.

You must always choose wisely.

What I have an issue with, is when people complain about having to suffer from the consequences of their choices, like the woman who comes here and doesn't understand why her fiancé dumped her when he found out he was a prostitute in her youth (hypothetical). "Don't judge me for my past." I most certainly do not have the authority to do so, and I would do my best to see you as the person you are NOW because I think that we ALL have story, but I do expect an adult to own their choices and the possible impact. It's called risk, and life has may inherent and not so inherent risks. It's unfortunate that so many young women (and men) are not able to foresee consequences in the future with the same eyes as they would if they were more wise to the world.
I attribute that to the lack of good parenting and accountability in society today. When half of the parents out there also don't have long term thinking, how are they going to impress upon their children this idea. I mean there is a reason why your parents told you not to do half the stuff that when you were younger you wanted to do, or some even did. Now a days it's the parents saying don't judge my kid they have a good heart, while he is beating some kid up on the buss.

We live in a world where the media likes to sell that you should do what makes you feel good, **** the consequences. The problem is the motive for saying that the same reason they sell people drinking beer in perfect shape, when you know that most of those models in those commercials work their asses off to get in that shape, it damn sure wasn't the beer. In the same way life with not consequences is a great dream, but lots of people are not wise enough to know this is only a dream, life doesn't work that way.

Now tell those kids to get off my DAMN LAWN!!! >:)
 
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#50 ·
This has been glorified on Lifetime when some women have done it. Some women (e.g. Miriam Weeks) are essentially getting their own feature film over monetizing their promiscuity. Haven't seen the Lifetime production, but I'm sure the male porn producers are villainized in some way, as if Miriam was forced into it against her free will.

In her case, the education was questionably even valued in the labor market (gender studies) and her acquisition of that education was pure consumption. She basically turned a negative NPV investment in human capital into one with 0 NPV, through porn. That's exactly what I would hope my daughter would do *sarcasm*.

Smart. Very smart.
 
#60 ·
A very close friend of my exH's married a woman who supported herself by being someone's mistress. She was set up in an apartment next to his. I do wonder how much of that was intended.

Someone told me that her sugar daddy paid for the wedding dress and was at the wedding.

I found her to be the most toxic manipulative person I had ever met. My exH acted as if she walked on water.

I don't want to judge people in how they get by in life. But at the same time, being successful in certain areas can require a whole personality and set of values change.
 
#63 ·
They need to start taking into account the choices people make in degrees and the potential monetary rewords for them. Just blanketly giving money has inflated the cost. A degree in pottery is not worth $80,000.
 
#64 ·
In northern European countries like Germany and Scandinavia, the concept of numerus clausus is employed.

That means, the more lucrative a study proves to be, the lower grade is to allow more people in to the program. The less lucrative the study is, the higher grade that is necessary to pursue that topic.

These are countries whose schools are controlled at the national level and the standardized exams are adminstrered by the government .... and not by some for profit outfit.
 
#67 ·
Interesting concept. I'm not sure about this changing the threshold for required grades though-- more lucrative degrees generally have higher academic requirements. After all, we do want our doctors and engineers to be smart.

However, there may be some applicability to prioritizing public funds for education. It should be easier to obtain grants or loans toward degrees that are in demand than for those which are a ticket to unemployment or underemployment.
 
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