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Wait, according to the the OP (Galt), women don't shop anymore. People magically appear at your front door with groceries in tow. How it this study possible then?
So Galt needs to come clean... how do I find these magic people who will appear at my door with groceries in tow? I HATE shopping, especially grocery shopping.

We used to have Furrs Grocery stores here that had an online system where you can do your shopping. Then some delivery guy would bring the groceries to your house. The service cost $10. I found that I saved a lot of money shopping this way.

While it took a while to do the weekly shopping online it was better than going to the store. But then they ended the service because it was not cost effective for them.

So I want to know how to contact these magic people who will do this for me now.


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I took it as influence... Nonetheless, am I the only one that sees this as failing our sons? They're either dumb enough to marry some girl that takes them to the cleaners,
Most divorces occur in marriages where the women is under 25 and/or the man is under 30; or the couple is poor. They mostly take place within 5 years of marriage. So most divorces do not end it anyone taking anyone to the cleaners.
Few young couples and poor couples have enough income to be paying any support to anyone. Few have assets to split.
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or they marry a girl good enough to know what's best for their families and influence most of the decisions... In either case, the man isn't much good for anything, relatively.
The operative word here is “INFLUENCE”. Influence means that she is input in the decision. It does not mean that she is making all, or even most, of the decisions on her own. Are you really threatened by a women having influence on where the family income goes?

For example if the couple buys a house, should the man be the only one who has influence and makes the decision?


How does a woman having influence mean that her husband is not much good for anything? It seems to me that he has equal influence.

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In my house, I make half the money, 99% of the financial decisions because my wife is horrible with money, and about 70% of the parenting decisions since my wife concedes I am with my son more of the day (I drive him to school, I teach at his school, I take him home, we both do everything together, he's my best friend!)... She usually asks me what's best for him... Is this becoming a rarity with more and more dumb men that either need mommies or are ripe for being scavenging?
Again the word is “influence” not “control”. Both spouses have influence.
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Men are getting shafted, and it isn't women's fault... Or is it? Parents, both men and women... What are we raising? And why?
I don’t get what you are so upset about. You are interpreting the article to say that women have control and not influence.
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Is there a government factor, like Unb suggests? There might be... I don't know.
Of course now.

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They are. Marriage is at it's lowest point and largely because men are reluctant to get married. Of course, politicians will take their wealth and had it over to women, anyway. Feminism and Liberalism have brought doom to the American marriage. Congratulations.
Marriage is at it's lowest point because society no longer sees it as mandatory.

It used to be that the only choice a woman had was to get married. She could not support herself, much less her children because women were not allowed to have careers that paid well.

The only work choices for women were house keeper, cook, maid or prostitute.

And families pushed their sons into marrying because that's what was socially acceptable.

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Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases including everything from autos to health care:
91% of New Homes
66% PCs
92% Vacations
80% Healthcare
65% New Cars
89% Bank Accounts
93% Food
93 % OTC PharmaceuticalsAmerican women spend about $5 trillion annually…
Over half the U.S. GDP

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Marriage is at it's lowest point because society no longer sees it as mandatory.

It used to be that the only choice a woman had was to get married. She could not support herself, much less her children because women were not allowed to have careers that paid well.

The only work choices for women were house keeper, cook, maid or prostitute.

And families pushed their sons into marrying because that's what was socially acceptable.
Then you concede that marriage was primarily a mechanism to provide for the financial security of women. I submit that it still is.
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Some women actually do pay for sex. If I enter into an exclusive contract with you for some service (food, lodging, transportation, sex, whatever) and you fail to provide that which you agreed to, I am free to get it elsewhere and stick you with the bill or sue you for the value of the non-performed service.
So now marriage is a contract for service?

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Marriage is at it's lowest point because society no longer sees it as mandatory.

It used to be that the only choice a woman had was to get married. She could not support herself, much less her children because women were not allowed to have careers that paid well.

The only work choices for women were house keeper, cook, maid or prostitute.

And families pushed their sons into marrying because that's what was socially acceptable.
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Then you concede that marriage was primarily a mechanism to provide for the financial security of women. I submit that it still is.
No marriage was to provide a family unit for children. Women got a safe family life in which to raise their children. Men got their children. Both work in their home and farm to feed and raise their children.

Women are now primary earners for 40% of all household. 70% of all married women work outside the home. If the purpose of marriage is to primarily to provide for the financial security of women, then marriage is not filling that purpose very well.

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Marriage is, indeed, a contract. For the man, it offers mostly liabilities and little (if any) enforceable benefits. The financial liability of the man generally persists even after the marriage has failed.

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Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases including everything from autos to health care:
91% of New Homes
66% PCs
92% Vacations
80% Healthcare
65% New Cars
89% Bank Accounts
93% Food
93 % OTC PharmaceuticalsAmerican women spend about $5 trillion annually…
Over half the U.S. GDP

She-conomy » MARKETING TO WOMEN QUICK FACTS
It seems that you left out much of the facts reported.... like that the money women are spending tends to be their own money that they either earned themselves or inherited from their family of birth.

Boomer Women and Affluence – One huge, affluent segment wields more spending clout than any other: Baby-Boomer women. Born between 1946 and 1964, these women represent a portion of the buying public no marketer can afford to ignore. With successful careers, investments made during the “boom” years, and inheritances from parents or husbands, they are more financially empowered than any previous generation of women. – Mary Brown, Carol Orsborn, Ph.D., Marketing to the Ultimate Power Consumer—The Baby-Boomer Woman

• Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. – MassMutual Financial Group–2007

• Fifty-plus American women are the healthiest, wealthiest and most active generation of women in history. - Demographics by Mark Miller

• Of the 743 women of wealth interviewed with at least $3 million in investable assets, 61.2% accumulated their fortunes through corporate employment, their own or a family business or a professional practice. Only 38.8% of the women had married into or inherited their money. – Women of Wealth, 2004, by Russ Alan Prince and Hannah Shaw Grove

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Between mandated support payments, alimony, property settlements, survivor benefits, and various forms of government assistance, I wager only a small percentage of adult women survive without the financial assistance of one or more men, so the idea of the independent modern American woman is largely fiction.
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Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases including everything from autos to health care:
91% of New Homes
66% PCs
92% Vacations
80% Healthcare
65% New Cars
89% Bank Accounts
93% Food
93 % OTC PharmaceuticalsAmerican women spend about $5 trillion annually…
Over half the U.S. GDP

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Let’s put these numbers into perspective. The articles you are quoting are about why people who do marketing should market to women. It does not say that men are not as involved in the marital spending as their wives are. Do you have a problem with companies marketing to women as well as men? Or do you think that they should only market to men?

It’s not talking about married women but all women, single women too. For married women, it does not say that women have control over all their marital community money. It says that they have influence into how it is spent.

Let’s look at some numbers………..

158.3 million – approx. number of adult women in the USA

64.9 million – approx. number of married adult women in the USA

41% of adult women are married

60% are not married.

70% of all married women

88% of all women work and earn their own income.

60% of the spending is by unmarried women.

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Between mandated support payments, alimony, property settlements, survivor benefits, and various forms of government assistance, I wager only a small percentage of adult women survive without the financial assistance of one or more men, so the idea of the independent modern American woman is largely fiction.
Women are the primary breadwinners in 60% of all household.
70% of married women work. All working women above the poverty level, like all men above the poverty level, pay taxes.

So women also provide for women and men on government assistance.

Most married couples depend on 2 incomes so most husband also depend on the income from their wife.

In 40% of marriages, women earn more than their husbands. This % grows every year.

Both men and women depend on each other.

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Most divorces occur in marriages where the women is under 25 and/or the man is under 30; or the couple is poor. They mostly take place within 5 years of marriage. So most divorces do not end it anyone taking anyone to the cleaners.
Few young couples and poor couples have enough income to be paying any support to anyone. Few have assets to split.

The operative word here is “INFLUENCE”. Influence means that she is input in the decision. It does not mean that she is making all, or even most, of the decisions on her own. Are you really threatened by a women having influence on where the family income goes?

For example if the couple buys a house, should the man be the only one who has influence and makes the decision?


How does a woman having influence mean that her husband is not much good for anything? It seems to me that he has equal influence.


Again the word is “influence” not “control”. Both spouses have influence.

I don’t get what you are so upset about. You are interpreting the article to say that women have control and not influence.

Of course now.
I'm upset to look at the marriages around me lately... Purely anecdotal, I share with you that influence and control seems to be in the hands of women much more often, not 50/50...

It feels threatening to look at all the marriages I grew up around, including my own parents, knowing that the women wielded the most influence and power 8 times out of ten... Your experiences may differ and might data based on surveys.

Not upset at all except that most men disappoint me today... Can't do much for themselves and rely on women... I keep all this in mind as I raise my son is all... Sorry if I feel down a bit about my gender.

My students had an academic competition today... As usual, the girls took the most medals...
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