[QUOTE=FirstYearDown;425678]Where I'm from, healthcare is free, except for medication and few types of specialists. These specialists are often covered by employee benefit plans or paid for by the government in some cases.
We also have government assistance for prescription drugs;those on welfare or disability even receive government drug cards. Everyone has a health card that is swiped when he/she visits the hospital or doctor...this is how MD's are paid.
I LOVE the universal education idea. Nothing harsh about wanting people to empower themselves.
By the way, where on earth is Obama going to get the money for this employment bill? Isn't the US already in trillions of debt? I don't understand. Someone educate me please.[/QUOT
We really shouldn't worry about terrorists..we'll all die from either not being able to afford healthcare or from the infrastructure falling apart.
BTW, Obama could fund the employment bill if he gets all the troops from the Middle East back home where they belong.
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BTW, Obama could fund the employment bill if he gets all the troops from the Middle East back home where they belong.
We tried that once before. "Defense from inside our borders" was a philosophy most Americans felt confident in when they laid their heads down to sleep on December 6, 1941. They woke up to a new day and age.
I would be thrilled if we could bring all of our troops home but in todays world that's not going to happen. We will always need a presence outside our borders in one place or another. My respect and gratitude for all who serve.
What needs to happen is to bring home the troops to help fix the crumbling infrastructure in this country, to give them good paying jobs and keep them out of the Middle East.
The so-called "war on terrorism" is a crock..it's a smoke screen so that that the big war machines can continue to make a profit at the expense of American lives, in addition to the oil that's there. Bush and Company had already planned to invade Iraq and this made it way too easy.
Sorry, I lived thru Vietnam which a lot of you most likely did not, and the crap from Washington never ends.
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The so-called "war on terrorism" is a crock..it's a smoke screen so that that the big war machines can continue to make a profit at the expense of American lives
Ya, ya sure and 9/11 was an inside job executed by Bush and Chaney for the same reasons. No reason we should worry about such things. No one will ever try it again everybody loves us.
Sorry to burst your bubble, I'm 54 and was around during Viet Nam too.
Ya, ya sure and 9/11 was an inside job executed by Bush and Chaney for the same reasons. No reason we should worry about such things. No one will ever try it again everybody loves us.
Sorry to burst your bubble, I'm 54 and was around during Viet Nam too.
No, it wasn't an inside job, technically, but they knew about it. You can not sit in the White House every day, get those briefings stating that a terrorist attack is likely soon, and go off to Texas for photo ops...where was the chain of command that day...Cheney was nowhere to be found. Rice was buying shoes. And every demolition expert who has seen the one tower fall say it was done on purpose..there are so many other facts here but I would run out of space listing them
And btw, I am 58.
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No, it wasn't an inside job, technically, but they knew about it. You can not sit in the White House every day, get those briefings stating that a terrorist attack is likely soon, and go off to Texas for photo ops...where was the chain of command that day...Cheney was nowhere to be found. Rice was buying shoes. And every demolition expert who has seen the one tower fall say it was done on purpose..there are so many other facts here but I would run out of space listing them
And btw, I am 58.
Ya, I kinda figured I'd get that kind of response. Thanks for play'n
Ya, I kinda figured I'd get that kind of response. Thanks for play'n
Honestly, I haven't trusted the government since I was a little girl...when President Kennedy was assassinated. And I suppose you believe the Warren Commission about LHO being the lone gunman?
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Quite a range of history on this thread. If we're going to analyze every probable or possible conspiracy theory that falls between 12/7/41 and 9/11/01 this tread will be longer than Shamwow's.
Quite a range of history on this thread. If we're going to analyze every probable or possible conspiracy theory that falls between 12/7/41 and 9/11/01 this tread will be longer than Shamwow's.
WWII was an absolute necessary war to fight ..there was no other way. But every war since then has been BS...my point here being that the government is being controlled by corporate interests and companies that specialize in war....such as ...Halliburton..gee, what a surprise there.
I spent $17,000 last year in health care (premiums plus care charges) - with a very good corporate plan. I lifetime maxed out an earlier plan when I worked for another company years ago; 2 million dollars. My sister had a preemie years ago she needed 374 days neonatal ICU with 3 shifts of nurses and 4 surgeries. She ran up 4.2 million dollars in charges. My dad was bedridden his last 10 years with Alzheimer's. The bills are still coming in 3 years after he died. We don't know the full bill - it's in the multimillions.
This is not a pity me story merely an example of how absurd medical costs are.
I spent $17,000 last year in health care (premiums plus care charges) - with a very good corporate plan. I lifetime maxed out an earlier plan when I worked for another company years ago; 2 million dollars. My sister had a preemie years ago she needed 374 days neonatal ICU with 3 shifts of nurses and 4 surgeries. She ran up 4.2 million dollars in charges. My dad was bedridden his last 10 years with Alzheimer's. The bills are still coming in 3 years after he died. We don't know the full bill - it's in the multimillions.
This is not a pity me story merely an example of how absurd medical costs are.
Absurd is not the word....the terrorists won't have to worry about killing us...we'll be dead of heart failure when we get the bills from the hospital...
]I agree that universal healthcare is possible, but isn't healthcare in other countries subpar compared to the US?[/B] I am honestly asking b/c that is what I have always read. Also, I don't know if it is possible in our current state. We don’t have the money to pay for these things because so many are unemployed, therefore not paying taxes. We are running out of money VERY quickly, yet no one seems to be able to make the hard choices. The hard choice is we are going to have to reign in our goodwill. People are always talking about DOD spending (I agree that we need to stop fighting wars for other countries), but what about the billions we send to aid other countries. What about the trillions we give away in our own country with entitlement programs.
We are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt, and rising! The jobs bill won't do anything, b/c it's just more of the same thing. First, we can't afford it. Second, it's just propaganda. Third, there is no way it will pass. Both sides are so hell bent on turning us against each other so it takes the focus off of them, and the sad thing is most people actually fall for it. I for one would need to see how this bill is going to stimulate jobs, what jobs it’s going to stimulate, where all that money is actually going, why they even need that much money in the first place, and how it is going to affect things long term.
About the troops - They aren't coming home anytime soon. Obama said he was going to and has not only NOT brought any home, he has actually increased our presence over there. Furthermore, have you actually been over there or know anyone who has? I do. My brother is over there right now, my husband has been there, one of my close friends just got back. They NEED our help. We went over there and f-ed there stuff up and now you just want us to pack up and leave the mess we made? All that work that we and our allied forces accomplished would be lost. All the dead American soldiers would be for nothing. Most of those people are innocent just like the other countries we send “aid” to. Maybe we shouldn’t have gone over there in the first place, but hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20, isn’t it?
Don't believe everything you read.
Here in the Great White North, nobody dies because they cannot afford an operation. I believe that is commonplace in the US, right?
Canada has much better healthcare, my friend.
People seem to blame Obama for America's problems. Nobody seems to remember, that he was handed a country that was already in horrible shape.
I agree that he does come up with some foolish ideas. Obamacare was bloody ridiculous, just like the job bill. When I saw his speech about the job bill, I wished I could step on the stage and grab Obama's hand. I would have pulled him away and spoke into the microphone: "Don't listen to him, he's just drunk."
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Nothing harsh about wanting people to empower themselves. 
Isn't the US already in trillions of debt? I don't understand. Someone educate me please.[/QUOT
