"Exactly. Y'all have total control over passive reproductive power in our society. Yet that is almost never figured into issues about "equality". "
Why should it be figured into equality? I can't control that I was born with the ability to have children any more than you can control the fact that you were born with a penis. It is our bodies. It is biology. Equality does not even enter the equation. That thought process is completely asinine!
Not to sound rude, but you sound like you have serious vagina envy.
Nope. But I do have clitoris envy. Y'all can keep the 'ginas.
If reproductive power shouldn't be factored into the equation because "you can't control it", then we should make similar excuses about masculine behaviors and power when they are brought to the table, in the name of equity. For example, the famed male tendency to "sow wild oats" and be attracted to younger women as they age, both certainly a factor of male reproductive biology, would have to be given a pass due to biology, wouldn't it?
Hey, I would have loved an artificial womb! Screw 25 hours of labor.
So the moral of your story is that relationships are doomed. Well hey, there's always romance novels and porn!
Pretty much. What an impressive legacy to leave our children.
I think it has more to do with the fact that male sexual value tends to increase with age, while female sexual value tends to decrease with age. And men, in general, tend to be less picky over their choice of mate than women do.
The typical single parent is a mother. 27% of single mothers and their children live in poverty. I would guess that a lot of these women didn't choose to have children.
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It is, and always will be, the women’s right to choose when and with whom to procreate.
These are contradictory statements. The women didn't choose to have children, but it will always be the women's right to choose when and whom to procreate? Hmm...
I'm not sure if you mentioned it earlier in this thread if you had a son. Would you want the women your son will be dating/marrying to say things like this? Is that the future you want for him?
Everything IanIronwood is saying is true and needs to be listened to and not belittled. You should instead ask why that man needs to be nursed in the first place. Men are in trouble and it should absolutely not be dismissed. An entire generation of men raised by single mothers who were never taught, nor encouraged, to be a man, because the generation before them weren't raised as men either; men who have no true support because their female counterparts have been conditioned to fight them on every issue under the sun.
I would be willing to bet that if you have a son and he is close to the dating age, he will be complaining to you about all of this in a short amount of time. And, if I met him in the workforce (if he could even get a job), I would be telling him everything I am saying here because I have seen it happen from countless people I know and obviously all you have to do is read this forum or look around.
It's hard to give a young man advice on what to do because I know what he faces and it isn't good, yet I want him to succeed.
Hold on. I mentioned playing nurse because that is what I have heard many women say after long term marriages disolve. They have no desire to sign up for that role again. I did not say that it was my opinion. Bbig difference.
I have a son. 2 in fact. Never heard them complain about their plight in life because they have a penis. In fact, being raised by a feminist mother and father has made them incredibly well rounded productive members of society. Far removed from the ones that whine and blame a movement from 40 years ago.
Also, I don't mock Ian and he knows that. We have differing viewpoints and it makes for a hell of a good time to debate him.
For example, the famed male tendency to "sow wild oats" and be attracted to younger women as they age, both certainly a factor of male reproductive biology, would have to be given a pass due to biology, wouldn't it?
And how is this different than what is happening right now?
Hold on. I mentioned playing nurse because that is what I have heard many women say after long term marriages disolve. They have no desire to sign up for that role again. I did not say that it was my opinion. Bbig difference.
I have a son. 2 in fact. Never heard them complain about their plight in life because they have a penis. In fact, being raised by a feminist mother and father has made them incredibly well rounded productive members of society. Far removed from the ones that whine and blame a movement from 40 years ago.
Also, I don't mock Ian and he knows that. We have differing viewpoints and it makes for a hell of a good time to debate him.
I was speaking on the general theme that men's opinions are no longer valued. I have heard the "nursing" comment and things worse (pick a TAM forum), and from not just what I have read here. It is all over the place. The question is why are there men who need to be nursed? I would never approach a woman who said that to me because I want a partner. That is what this discussion is about: that feminism has skewed the roles in society and I am on the end that it has not been a good thing. We have conditioned men to not be men, so they aren't, which means they need to be nursed.
And how is this different than what is happening right now?
The big difference is that women's reproductive power isn't usually factored into the gender-equity equation at all. It's all about the board rooms and the Benjamins. In the feminist world, equality stops with money and political power, unless the "I can't help having a uterus" issue actually grants them an advantage, or the sexual issue gives them a disadvantage. And men, for the most part, have accepted that, the poor idiots.
If who controls reproduction isn't a major factor in the gender equity debate, then who's being casual with their DNA on the sly shouldn't be, either. As long as they both earn the same for the same amount of work.
I was speaking on the general theme that men's opinions are no longer valued. I have heard the "nursing" comment and things worse (pick a TAM forum), and from not just what I have read here. It is all over the place. The question is why are there men who need to be nursed? I would never approach a woman who said that to me because I want a partner. That is what this discussion is about: that feminism has skewed the roles in society and I am on the end that it has not been a good thing. We have conditioned men to not be men, so they aren't, which means they need to be nursed.
If you think feminism changed the nursing factor, you are sorely mistaken. That has been going on since the dawn of time. Men want to be cared for. Pre-feminism or post feminism.
Who on Earth is saying that men's opinions aren't valued? The world is run by men. Exactly who isn't being valued?
The big difference is that women's reproductive power isn't usually factored into the gender-equity equation at all. It's all about the board rooms and the Benjamins. In the feminist world, equality stops with money and political power, unless the "I can't help having a uterus" issue actually grants them an advantage, or the sexual issue gives them a disadvantage. And men, for the most part, have accepted that, the poor idiots.
If who controls reproduction isn't a major factor in the gender equity debate, then who's being casual with their DNA on the sly shouldn't be, either. As long as they both earn the same for the same amount of work.
What you were saying is that men should be given a pass in their biology given the situation you mentioned. What I asked was, how are they not right now?
Conversely, why aren't women? I mean, lets be fair and equitable here. Give women a pass when they sabotage their birth control because having babies is a driving part of her biology.
I mean, lets be fair and equitable here. Give women a pass when they sabotage their birth control because having babies is a driving part of her biology.
Pretty sure legally and for child support purposes, women already have that pass.
Re: Feminism.... 
