So, I have to catch up but was thinking about positive male role models on television and thought that most of the shows that cater to a male audiences do not show what you would say are positive role models such as Family Guy, South Park and American Dad. These are not showcasing positive role models for anyone but that is why they are funny and the same goes for the women portrayed. Strange that they're all cartoons too. I admit I've been known to watch South Park from time to time...Tim Tim Timmy.
But the family shows that cater to families do show various (sometimes good and sometimes bad) role models for both men and women. These include Parenthood, Modern Family and The Middle.
Shows that feature lots of gossip like reality shows tend to be negative towards both men and women and extreme. I wonder if they have a mainly female audience? I can't stand them.
When I was growing up I watched The Cosby Show, Malcolm in the Middle and Rosanne.
Anyway, they're going to broadcast what we are willing to watch. Some of this is good and some of this is bad. I don't really see how it pertains to the feminist movement or men being unable to behave like men and not getting sex from women.
To me, a person's number doesn't mean squat as long as in the current relationship the following:
1. No STD infections from prior relationship--best case.
1B. If there are any STDs, they are disclosed fully before intimacy (and I don't mean 2 minutes before) so the other person can decide their fate.
2. Prior relationships are DONE. Not an overlap kind of person who is in a stable of FWBs.
3.100% focus on the two of us going forward and in present.
The "number" can be zero or have a lot of zeros, just drop the baggage at the door.
Actually, women initiate relationships...men just think they do. It's true. Women send out the cues...
And if the man didn't respond to your cues then nothing would happen because giving out cues is as far as women will go when it comes to trying to find a partner.
The man sets it all in action when he starts talking with the woman and then asks her out, calls her, sets up more dates and does the overall courting.
The man is the one who drives and pushes it to evolve into a relationship.
To me, a person's number doesn't mean squat as long as in the current relationship the following:
1. No STD infections from prior relationship--best case.
1B. If there are any STDs, they are disclosed fully before intimacy (and I don't mean 2 minutes before) so the other person can decide their fate.
2. Prior relationships are DONE. Not an overlap kind of person who is in a stable of FWBs.
3.100% focus on the two of us going forward and in present.
The "number" can be zero or have a lot of zeros, just drop the baggage at the door.
Agreed. And I said I have come to expect it. The reverse is also true that the female doesn't want a man who has slept with the whole town and her sisters too. This isn't a better way to go about it than a stable, family environment.
That is not a scientific study and there are no ages given for the men responding.
But it is a predominantly male resource. Where's your study?
I'm not even saying I agree with it. I honestly have no idea. I imagine in Iran that men do prefer a virgin but in the United States I'd hope that most men are mature and secure enough to recognize that there is a lot more to a woman than whether or not she's a virgin.
But it is a predominantly male resource. Where's your study?
I'm not even saying I agree with it. I honestly have no idea. I imagine in Iran that men do prefer a virgin but in the United States I'd hope that most men are mature and secure enough to recognize that there is a lot more to a woman than whether or not she's a virgin.
Reminds me of that scene from "The Three Amigos", a conversation between El Guapo and his lead henchman "Jefe".
Jefe:
Forgive me, El Guapo.
I know that I, Jefe, do not have
your superior intellect and education.
But could it be that, once again...
you are angry at something else...
and are looking
to take it out on me?
El Guapo: Like what, Jefe?
Jefe: Could it be because
you are turning 40 today?
Could it be because Carmen chooses to
sleep in her cell instead of with you?
Why don't you just take her?
When you want cattle,
you take the cattle.
When you want food,
you take the food.
When you want a woman...
you just take the woman.
Why don't you just take her?
El Guapo: Jefe, you do not understand women. You cannot force open the petals of a flower. When the flower is ready, it opens itself up to you.
Jefe: So when do you think Carmen will open up her flower to you?
There is still a societal pressure for women to keep their numbers low or lie about it, while there isn't nearly as much stigma on men to do so. It's true that society doesn't prize virgins quite as much as it used to, but it seems that the focus has turned onto women keeping their numbers low as to appear they only have sex in committed relationships which has the same effect as prizing virgins, it divides women into good and bad, "the kind you marry and the kind you don't" etc. I know this is my first post on here and all, but i've been browsing for a little bit and one thing that seems to be pretty common is that "Women are expected to trade sex to men in exchange for support or romance. " Towards my personal Sex-Positive Feminist 101 Inside a relationhip is one thing and is expected. Women who fail to have sex for support or dare to have sex (lots of sex!) for fun are still labeled "s-word", dressing like you want to have sex for fun gets you labeled a "s-word" and having a higher number than your partner still labels you as a lesser woman because you have sex out of desire rather than a fair trade.
The problem is the young girls actually believe what feminists like yourself preach. And they naively take it onboard as part of their core value system and the rules which they live by. “Hey look, he looks like a decent sperm donor. I’ll get preggers by him and then I get a house and I’ll kick him out because I don’t need a man”.
Look behind you and see the trail of destruction in family life it’s caused. Just because you as an individual cannot see value in being married, and you say it so very often, that doesn’t mean there isn’t any value in being married.
And again, look behind you and see the trail of destruction caused by your mantra. That is the shadow side of your type of feminism. But you wont want to see that much less face up to it.
How on Earth did I miss this?!
Bob, you don't understand me at all and don't even try to.
I want to be very clear in my position here as you often put words in my mouth....
I was responding to Ian's comment that marriage is a raw deal for men. His examples could be equally applied to a woman. I in no way said marriage is a raw deal and who needs it, as you suggested. Not once have I said get pregnant by a sperm donor and get a house and then kick him out. I was responding to Ian saying that only 40% of men are able to reproduce so finding a woman is not essential to most men. My "women can use a sperm donor" was the flip side of what Ian said. If a man doesn't need a woman, then a woman technically doesn't need a man in her life either.
At no point did I ever say that this was ideal or something I remotely wish for as you have suggested. I have said that with my own marriage, if it were to fall apart I would not get remarried. That doesn't mean that I think marriage is bad and having a partner in life is a raw deal. Not by a long shot.
I HAVE said in previous posts that I would caution a young woman in this day and age against being a SAHM. Why? Current laws are such that she is given little to no protection if she took care of children for say 15 years and then the marriage dissolved. Out of work for 15 years with out of date skills and alimony has been greatly changed to a year or two at best and 20% in child support will barely cover basic expenses for a child. Why would any woman put herself in that kind of financial roulette?
So tell me again what I am preaching and why you choose to read in to my posts the way you do?
There is still a societal pressure for women to keep their numbers low or lie about it, while there isn't nearly as much stigma on men to do so. It's true that society doesn't prize virgins quite as much as it used to, but it seems that the focus has turned onto women keeping their numbers low as to appear they only have sex in committed relationships which has the same effect as prizing virgins, it divides women into good and bad, "the kind you marry and the kind you don't" etc. I know this is my first post on here and all, but i've been browsing for a little bit and one thing that seems to be pretty common is that "Women are expected to trade sex to men in exchange for support or romance. " Towards my personal Sex-Positive Feminist 101 Inside a relationhip is one thing and is expected. Women who fail to have sex for support or dare to have sex (lots of sex!) for fun are still labeled ****, dressing like you want to have sex for fun gets you labeled a **** and having a higher number than your partner still labels you as a lesser woman because you have sex out of desire rather than a fair trade.
Welcome and spot on.
Ian Ironwood did bring up a great point. BOTH sexes shame women for having multiple partners. I can remember back when I was younger hearing my friends snicker about a woman who had confessed to having 9 partners. She was (naturally) a wh@re but her boyfriend? He had 22 previous partners/ONS and he was just labeled a "player" and not a negative term.
I agree wholeheartedly with you that society takes issue with women who have sex for fun outside of commitment. So yes, while virginity is not prized as it used to be in Western culture, there still exists enormous pressure for women to at least appear to be chaste and that does transfer over to men, in fact the opposite is encouraged for them.
Re: Feminism.... 
